23 Jan 2017 15:58:34
Orioles

NYM- Brad Brach
BAL- Jay Bruce ($5 million)

C- Wellington Castillo
1B- Chris Davis
2B- Jonathon Schoop
3B- Manny Machado
SS- JJ Hardy
LF- Seth Smith
CF- Adam Jones
RF- Jay Bruce
DH- Mark Trumbo

SP- Chris Tillman
SP- Kevin Gausman
SP- Dylan Bundy
SP- Wade Miley
SP- Ubaldo Jiminez

1.) 23 Jan 2017
23 Jan 2017 16:52:28
Not even remotely close to enough, Orioles would never do this

2.) 23 Jan 2017
23 Jan 2017 19:44:38
The Orioles are more likely to pursue a right-handed bat to platoon with Kim/ Smith in the corner outfield spots.

3.) 24 Jan 2017
24 Jan 2017 01:41:20
Guys, Bruce is a power-hitting OF in his prime. His stock has dropped some over the last couple of years, but he is still dangerous. Remember about this time last year, when the Orioles traded a backup catcher named Steve Clevenger to the Mariners for a power-hitting OF that most everyone was down on - a guy named Mark Trumbo, who led the AL in HRs last year. Bruce is better than him. The Orioles, Giants, or another team is going to get a bargain if they'll bring him on board.

Brach is good, but this is fair.

4.) 24 Jan 2017
24 Jan 2017 02:29:11
I'm not arguing the value isn't fair one way or another, the O's just don't have a need for another left-handed corner outfielder. They don't like Kim against lefties and Smith is penciled in over in right field. They would go with a right-handed hitter.

5.) 24 Jan 2017
24 Jan 2017 05:21:19
Put it this way, values are equal due to team needs.

6.) 25 Jan 2017
25 Jan 2017 05:54:51
Trumbo can play multiple positions. Bruce can't even play his own.

7.) 25 Jan 2017
25 Jan 2017 11:50:24
Exposfan, that may be the dumbest comment I've seen here. You think Trumbo is a Gold Glover?

8.) 25 Jan 2017
25 Jan 2017 16:55:35
I spent some time perusing this site and found many of your replies. You seem to talk more than think. I suggest that if you want to be heard, you practice hearing others out before insulting them. No Trumbo is not a gold glover. But he can play multiple positions which makes him more valuable. Bruce can't even play OF and realistically should be a DH for most of his career, at least Trumbo can be used in a fielding role if need be.

9.) 25 Jan 2017
25 Jan 2017 16:57:45
Also, saying Bruce is better than Trumbo proves you didn't even look at any stats. It seems you're more interested in being heard than you are in being correct.

10.) 25 Jan 2017
25 Jan 2017 19:46:28
Brach is an all star, Bruce is a scrub value isn't equal. Brach still has multiple years of control Bruce doesn't. Mets would be lucky to get a semi decent player for him there is no planet where Bruce is better than Trumbo.

Red Sox Guy has no clue what he's talking about 10 out of 10 times

11.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 00:08:35
Look at stats beyond last year, boys. Maybe you will get the picture. Right now, you don't. Learn to think for yourself. Home runs are great, but not the end-all, be-all of stats. Look at others too.

To say that Trumbo can play multiple positions is moronic. Trumbo's best position is DH. Bruce is at least an okay outfielder.

12.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 02:36:19
Last three years:

Mark Trumbo: 83 HR, 233 RBI, .253/ .309/ .477, 24.8 K%, 2.1 WAR (if you're into WAR) . -12 DRS, -15.5 DEF.

Jay Bruce: 77 HR, 252 RBI, .231/ .295/ .440, 23.5 K%, 0.2 WAR. -12 DRS, -37.9 DEF (that makes him the second worst RF over that span)

Trust me, when I said Trumbo was better, I already looked at the numbers. And also, no, Bruce is a worse outfielder than Trumbo (who is also bad) . The only reason Bruce plays OF is because there is no designated hitter in the NL.

13.) 26 Jan 2017
26 Jan 2017 02:39:28
And can we take a moment to acknowledge that in telling us to look at stats beyond last year, it's evidently clear you did not do any such thing. Because had you, you would've kept your mouth shut.

Again, you seem more interested in being heard than you do in being correct.

14.) 28 Jan 2017
28 Jan 2017 14:23:20
But, you were still selective in your stats, and your years. Look at these guys' total history. Bruce has been the superior player; and, this time last year, Trumbo had almost no value. He peaked last year, my dim-witted friend.

15.) 28 Jan 2017
28 Jan 2017 18:30:53
Oh geez.

They were "selective" because they didn't end in the conclusion you wanted. What stat do you want me to add? And will that stat suddenly sway it toward Jay Bruce? He led in ONE stat in that 3-year span. One.

16.) 28 Jan 2017
28 Jan 2017 18:37:05
As for he "peaked", he was still better than Bruce up until 2016.

Trumbo's first year was 2011, so taking Bruce's number to that same point, with a 162 game average:

Trumbo: 32 HR, 97 RBI, 75 R, .251/ .301/ .461, 6.6% BB, 24.7% K.
Bruce: 30 HR, 97 RBI, 86 R, .244/ .316/ .457, 9.3% BB, 24.9% K.

From 2011-2015, the stats once again show Trumbo was the better player. He didn't just "peak" in 2016. In fact, 2016 wasn't even his best year. You'd know that if you looked at the numbers.

Please, quit calling people "dim-witted" when you can't even devote yourself to being right.

17.) 28 Jan 2017
28 Jan 2017 18:30:53
Oh geez.

They were "selective" because they didn't end in the conclusion you wanted. What stat do you want me to add? And will that stat suddenly sway it toward Jay Bruce? He led in ONE stat in that 3-year span. One.

18.) 28 Jan 2017
28 Jan 2017 18:37:05
As for he "peaked", he was still better than Bruce up until 2016.

Trumbo's first year was 2011, so taking Bruce's number to that same point, with a 162 game average:

Trumbo: 32 HR, 97 RBI, 75 R, .251/ .301/ .461, 6.6% BB, 24.7% K.
Bruce: 30 HR, 97 RBI, 86 R, .244/ .316/ .457, 9.3% BB, 24.9% K.

From 2011-2015, the stats once again show Trumbo was the better player. He didn't just "peak" in 2016. In fact, 2016 wasn't even his best year. You'd know that if you looked at the numbers.

Please, quit calling people "dim-witted" when you can't even devote yourself to being right.

19.) 29 Jan 2017
29 Jan 2017 02:15:52
Exposfan, did you look at your own statistics? Last year was a career year for Trumbo, yet those stats are quite comparable, despite the fact that Bruce had a poor year.

Also, you have the DEF listed. You do know that Trumbo is such a poor fielder that he has been penciled in at DH much of his career, while Bruce has always played the OF?

Run out to the mailbox and get your check now. You have lots of time to try to prove me wrong while solidifying my statement that Bruce is a better option.

20.) 29 Jan 2017
29 Jan 2017 03:29:22
1. No, Bruce is worse. DEF at RF is worse for Bruce than Trumbo. If Bruce played in the American League, he would be a permanent DH.

2. It's still funny you're asking me to look at stats. You clearly haven't looked at a single one, nor even listed any to try and prove your point. Not one. Please, back up your statement. If you're not going to show any stats, then it's best to stay quiet. You look like a fool.

3. You do realize that most of Bruce's numbers were because of 2011–2013? Look at his numbers from 2014 to now. He was one of the worst RF in all of baseball. Teams care more about what you've done recently, not what you did in 2011. If they did, Matt Kemp would be the most valuable player in the game still.

It's a worthless waste of my time, because you have made up your mind that you are right (so convenient) . You WON'T back it up, because you CAN'T. So until you offer stats, do yourself a favor and zip it.

21.) 29 Jan 2017
29 Jan 2017 17:11:56
At expos, who needs to go to an ATM or rob a liquor store so that he can buy a clue.

Lifetime stats

Jay Bruce - .318 OBP, .467 slugging, 241 HRs in 4650 ABs
Mark Trumbo - .303 OBP, .473 slugging, 178 HRs in 3167 ABs

Similar percentages - Bruce gets on base more, Trumbo has a little more pop.

You cite defense, though, as a big difference between the two, indicating for some unknown reason that Trumbo is superior. That, my friend, is where you really show your ignorance, and could not be more wrong.

Bruce has had 2495 putouts playing OF. Trumbo has had a grand total of 553 in the OF, which greatly reveals his defensive limitations. Trumbo has also started 343 games at first base, which is just over two full seasons worth. Why? Because he has the range of a chair.

Let's look at the range factor. Bruce, in the OF, is listed at 2.09; Trumbo, in the OF, is listed at 1.60. To give you a comparison, AJ Pollock, a pretty good CF, is listed at 2.27 for his career in the OF.

Keep your day job, if you have one.

22.) 30 Jan 2017
29 Jan 2017 23:00:47
"you were still selective in your stats" –You, above.

Yet, you cited "range factor" and putouts to try and defend your stats on defense. Yet putouts are purely a counting stat, meaning someone with more experience will have more (probably an advanced concept for a Red Sox fan) .

Then, you cited three stats, 2 of which kind of favor Bruce, but really they don't. Because when you balance them out per AB, or better yet, per game (Bruce has played in over 400 more games than Trumbo), Trumbo actually hits at a much better rate. Per 162 games, Trumbo hits 34 HR, 99 RBI. Trumbo strikes out a hair more, and walks a hair less, but his wOBA and his wRC+ makes up for that.

Also, can we please address a glaring fallacy you pointed out earlier: you said Trumbo "peaked" last season. How do you consider his most recent season a "peak" when you don't have the slightest clue what will follow?

If anyone peaked, it was Jay Bruce, FOUR YEARS AGO! Over the past 3 seasons, Jay Bruce has been one of the worst RF in all of baseball. Per WAR, the only people worse have been Gerardo Parra and Avisail Garcia. If we stretch that to ALL qualified outfielders, he is also higher by Cody Asche, that's it. He's the FOURTH WORST outfielder in baseball over the past 3 seasons, cumulative. But keep thinking he's valuable. I hope he joins the Red Sox.

23.) 30 Jan 2017
29 Jan 2017 23:51:26
One other fallacy from before, "Also, you have the DEF listed. You do know that Trumbo is such a poor fielder that he has been penciled in at DH much of his career, while Bruce has always played the OF? "

First, citing Trumbo's issues (by the way, he has a higher DEF rating than Trumbo) is beside the point.

Second, Trumbo plays DH because he has that ability in the AL. If Bruce played in the AL, he would be a full-time DH as well. Let's not pretend that because he's a full-time OF that he's better. He's only a full-time OF because there is literally no where else to play him.

24.) 30 Jan 2017
30 Jan 2017 01:38:00
expos, I wish you were in every fantasy baseball league that I'm in. Your nickname would be Easy Pickens.

25.) 30 Jan 2017
30 Jan 2017 06:03:10
Good for you!

But hey, when you can't win an argument, just go on the attack. Mighty big keyboard warrior we got here folks!

26.) 30 Jan 2017
30 Jan 2017 06:17:42
As for this "debate", you refuse to accept any statistic that doesn't fit your argument, so I'll just leave it be. You are too arrogant to listen, and resort to insults when you are backed into a corner.

Time to grow up pal. You hide behind a computer throwing out insults. Real sad way to spend your free time.

27.) 30 Jan 2017
30 Jan 2017 15:46:16
Daaamn.