30 Apr 2017 22:47:28
Washington needs a closer, so let's get them one.

Nationals send pitching prospects Austin Voth and AJ Cole to KC.

Royals ship RP Kelvin Herrera to Washington to close games.

1.) 01 May 2017
01 May 2017 00:13:14
As a Nats fan, this is not something they want to do. If anything, they will go after a proven closer like Robertson.

2.) 01 May 2017
01 May 2017 00:39:09
no chance that gets it done. Chapman and Miller brought in more last year, and Kimbrel brought more the prior winter. I'm not saying that's what the Royals will get, but I just don't think that's the package that will get it done.

3.) 02 May 2017
01 May 2017 22:39:40
^^^Chapman, Miller, and Kimberly brought in more because Chapman, Miller, and Kimberly are much better closers than Herrera.

This would be too much for Herrera.

4.) 02 May 2017
02 May 2017 03:07:35
Herrera is not Chapman. Nor is he Miller.

Herrera will be gotten cheaper than those guys. Washington raided the farm system to get Eaton. They won't spend big on prospects for a closer.

5.) 02 May 2017
02 May 2017 15:14:44
Well its a good thing i never said the Royals would get that kind of return. Also i will give another example, Ken Giles.

6.) 03 May 2017
03 May 2017 04:19:46
Ken Giles had 5 years of controllable service time when he was traded. Again, not a good example.

It doesn't matter if you don't think Herrera will draw what Chapman drew. The above trade is far too much.

7.) 03 May 2017
03 May 2017 05:06:43
I guess its good I never said the Royals would get that kind of return.

8.) 03 May 2017
03 May 2017 06:41:03
"no chance that gets it done. Chapman and Miller brought in more last year, and Kimbrel brought more the prior winter. I'm not saying that's what the Royals will get, but I just don't think that's the package that will get it done. "

This would imply you think that more would be needed, would it not?

9.) 03 May 2017
03 May 2017 13:52:44
Ok, what i was implying that Herrera would bring in better quality prospects, again never said anything about the quantity. I was very careful not say they would get a similar package. The Royals may only get 1-2 prospects, but I think they would be of better quality.

10.) 03 May 2017
03 May 2017 16:44:44
Next time I clarify right away if I mean quality or quantity.

11.) 03 May 2017
03 May 2017 19:03:18
I didn't need a clarification on whether you meant quality or quantity.

You compared what the Royals will get for Herrera to what the Yankees got for Chapman and Miller, respectively. Then doubled down with what the Phillies got for Giles. Herrera is not as talented as the first two and doesn't have the contract situation of Giles.

The better comparison would be what the Nationals gave up for Melancon last summer. Melancon is better than Herrera, and they gave up far less for Him.

A. J. Cole for Kelvin Herrera would be more than fine. Adding in any other prospects would be too much.

12.) 04 May 2017
04 May 2017 05:40:40
A. J. Cole can't even stay in the Majors, the Nationals have brought him up several times and hasn't been able to stick. Cole for Herrera would not be more than fine.

13.) 04 May 2017
04 May 2017 06:15:07
So because he has options and the Nationals have good pitchers, he's bad and can't "stick in the majors"?

14.) 04 May 2017
04 May 2017 14:55:19
Look at his career numbers in the Majors an ERA over 5. It may be a small sample size, but he's getting these opportunities to to prove himself and has failed each time. And lately his minor league numbers aren't that great either. That is why he can't stick in majors, not just because the Nationals have good pitchers.

15.) 04 May 2017
04 May 2017 15:50:35
"It may be a small sample size, but" is the quickest way to dismiss your argument.

I don't think A. J. Cole is this amazing prospect, for what it's worth. But I also don't think the Royals will get a ton back for Herrera, and the Nationals won't give up that much, either.

But to say he's bad because he hasn't stuck is ignoring the fact that the Nationals bring him up when they need a spot start (usually due to injury) and option him down immediately, as they have that right. His BABIP suggests he'd be better in a larger ballpark and with a better defense. I promise you, Cole will be alright.

16.) 04 May 2017
04 May 2017 16:31:14
I don't think that comment about small sample size is a way too dismiss the argument, because if you continue to look I said his minor league numbers aren't that great lately either. I don't know what the Royals will get for Herrera, I was wrong about what they would get for Davis. Who knows what they will get, time will tell. Again next time I will clarify if I mean quantity over quality because I think i messed up their.

17.) 04 May 2017
04 May 2017 19:55:08
Minor league numbers are not always predicative of MLB success. Many times, minor-leaguers, pitchers especially, work on adjustments to certain pitches or will work on throwing one pitch over and over again to get it working.

And when it comes to predicting trades, I also consider the teams' recent histories in trades.

The Nationals, who overpaid for Eaton, won't overpay for Herrera. They also won't overpay for a closer (again, the Melancon trade is probably a better litmus) .

The Royals sold Wade Davis for a comically low price. They set their own market on Herrera. No one is giving them more for an inferior closer.

There also aren't many teams right now who would bid for Herrera's services. So if the Royals want to move him now, it's going to be for a low price.

18.) 04 May 2017
04 May 2017 21:47:34
Stop looking for reasons to fire back at me with. Seriously, lately both his minors and majors are similar. Who knows how he will be, he could be successful this go around or stay the same. Also if the Nationals are desperate for a reliever/ closer they may overpay.

19.) 05 May 2017
05 May 2017 03:10:34
Don't worry, I'm not going to continue to fire back at a guy who doesn't understand how player development works, or player options, or trade value.

If you think Herrera will draw anywhere close to Chapman/ Miller/ Kimbrel, I think you're wrong, but so be it.

20.) 05 May 2017
05 May 2017 04:26:15
No, i completely understand all of that very well. I have tore people up about all those things in the past. My point being is I messed up when I said he would bring a similar value of Chapman, Miller, and Kimbrel. and for the last time I will clarify what I mean next time.

21.) 05 May 2017
05 May 2017 14:02:44
I know you're knowledgable. I've seen your posts, but your arguments certainly hint that you don't understand those things.

Cole, because he has options, gets the call briefly, and has to go back when the injured pitcher becomes healthy. Most of what he's done at AAA is work on mastering pitches and work on hitting certain locations. If you notice, last year, he threw his slider more than any pitch besides a fastball. It was his best pitch, because they worked on it.

His secondary stuff is good, but he's had a hard time hitting his spots, so that's what they work on. Most times, pitchers who are at the cusp of the majors level do this, and their ERAs balloon in the minors.

So when you argue that his minors numbers aren't good, well, yeah, because they are looking for a certain pitch, and the hitters pick up on that. The Nationals, nor any team, would care about those numbers when they are trying to fix something. How that translates in the majors really depends on how a pitching coach helps him adapt.

22.) 07 May 2017
07 May 2017 16:33:38
The ongoing argument here illustrates well why there aren't many original posts on this site. So many people want to nitpick and argue and run down the opinion of others rather than make an intelligent proposal. No matter the trade proposal tossed out - I don't mean mine, I mean all of them - so many want to chime in with why the proposal is bad, whether it's too much or too little, and so forth. Regardless of the original post, everyone simply breaks it apart, tears it down, and berates the proposal and the person who posted it.

Had someone a few months back posted a trade of Adam Eaton for a package of Lucas Giolito, Reynaldo Lopez and Dane Dunning, I guarantee that person would have been ripped apart, saying the Nationals would never part with Giolito, that the package was too much, that Eaton wasn't worth it, blah blah blah. Same with the Sale-Moncada deal.

Anyways, that's my vent for the day.

23.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 14:53:28
"an exposfan special.

NY trades 1B Greg Bird to Arizona

Diamondbacks send 3B Jake Lamb to LA

Angels ship CF Mike Trout to Yankees"

This is just one of the gems you created. Also, we all know you were RedSoxGuy. Your lecture is nothing but hypocrisy.