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29 Jun 2017 17:32:39
Giants Deadline

Orioles get - IF Eduardo Nunez
Giants get - SP Keegan Akin

Cubs get - C Nick Hundley
Giants get - SP Jake Stinnett

Twins get - SP Johnny Cueto
Giants get - SP Felix Jorge, OF Daniel Palka

Orioles lineup

Twins rotation

Giants top 10 prospects


1.) 30 Jun 2017 13:21:55
They'll get more for Nuñez, probably more for Cueto, and likely less for Hundley.



08 May 2017 15:48:44
The Giants are horrible. They will likely sell off some players at the deadline. So, I propose:

Astros get - SP Johnny Cueto
Giants get - OF Derek Fisher

Indians get - IF/OF Eduardo Nunez
Giants get - OF Greg Allen

Brewers get - OF Denard Span, cash
Giants get - SP Corbin Burnes

Nets them some good outfield pieces, which are sorely needed.


1.) 09 May 2017 02:32:33
I think they would get more for Cueto, as some playoff contenders will want an ace for the playoffs.

Like you, I don't see San Fran getting better with MadBum out. Fire sale may be coming.

2.) 09 May 2017 14:54:30
So what you're saying is that Eduardo Nunez will bring back more in a trade than Johnny Cueto?

3.) 11 May 2017 13:49:48
I think if the Giants are still out of it come the trade deadline (I still think they will turn it around) they should try to sell Cueto to the Yankees (this is hard to say coming from a Red Sox fan) but they will be looking for SP if they are still dominating. And the Yankees have some prospects that the Giants want. I can see the deal starting with Mickinly or another one of their Of and then go from there.



26 Nov 2016 15:14:50
Giants get - OF JD Martinez
Tigers get - OF Mac Williamson, SP Sam Coonrod, OF Steven Duggar

Giants Lineup
CF Denard Span
1B Brandon Belt
C Buster Posey
LF JD Martinez
SS Brandon Crawford
RF Hunter Pence
2B Joe Panik
3B Eduardo Nunez.


1.) 26 Nov 2016 15:42:53
That is a sad collection heading to Detroit.

2.) 26 Nov 2016 17:01:27
@Red Sox Guy

Not exactly. Williamson has great raw power and could develop into a quality starting LF/ RF in the near future. Coonrod pitched to a 2.55 ERA between A/ AA this season with .209 OPP AVG and 94 Ks. Duggar had his best season yet, hitting .302 with a .388 OBP between A/ AA. In AA, he was even better than his totals, hitting .321 with a .391 OBP. Detroit is getting a good package for a guy they have no use for considering the rebuilding tone they have.

3.) 26 Nov 2016 17:37:34
detroit has little leverage in trading their guys. they are either expensive or have little team control. plus they are desperate to move them.

martinez is very good, but not great. poor fielder, relies too much on power that won't translate in san francisco.

plus, coonrod is a guy scouts are very high on. the package from san francisco might be too much honestly.

4.) 27 Nov 2016 00:11:17
Detroit actually isn't desperate to do anything and the proof is in the multiple reports that they want top prospects for guys like Martinez, Verlander, Miggy. Any team that is selling almost always has leverage do to the fact that they don't have to trade anyone, if they don't get an offer they like they can keep their players and give it another shot no reason to settle for a bad deal like this one. And this is coming from a Giants fan.

5.) 27 Nov 2016 13:34:14
they are very desperate. that's word all around the league that they are shopping deals.

and for a bad defender who relies on power, san francisco isn't getting a ton to work with in martinez. plus he's a free agent after one season. no one is giving up top prospects for him.



01 Aug 2016 21:52:26
Matt Moore the Giants for Matt Duffy and prospects

As a Giants fan, I'm furious. Duffy was one of my favorites, and a great defensive 3B.


1.) 01 Aug 2016 23:05:18
The addition of Nunez tells me that SFG had ideas of shipping Duffy off long before today.

And besides, Nunez more then just softens the blow for losing Duffy.

2.) 01 Aug 2016 23:37:29
Best trade Giants made today. Loaded w/ corner IF options. Arroyo is probably 3x better than Duffy.

Moore is insanely cheap and fills the rotation for years. It was a great buy.

3.) 02 Aug 2016 03:01:33
Matt Moore has a ton of potential this was not as bad as a trade as u think plus he is under control for a while.

4.) 02 Aug 2016 13:49:09
Well sometimes for a team to improve they must sacrifice something. In this case it was Duffy. If they can get Moore back to what he was before TJ surgery it will be a non issue for you. Secondly they have Arroyo coming soon.

5.) 02 Aug 2016 15:09:35
^^^Gillaspie and Nunez to hold down the fort until then.

I love the deal. I loved Duffy, but this is the kind of old school MLB for MLB deal I was hoping to see yesterday.

6.) 02 Aug 2016 19:24:04
Since 2012, Matt Moore was been only slightly better than Matt Cain, according to WAR. Duffy in one season was worth almost worth as much as Moore's entire career. This move is going to be a mistake. We are overrating Arroyo.

7.) 02 Aug 2016 20:15:15
Duffy, this season, reverted back to what he really is - a backup.

8.) 02 Aug 2016 20:55:44
1. The Giants had multiple scouts checking in on Arroyo + Beede. Both to see what they had, and determine what pieces they were willing to move. They are very, very high on Arroyo. Which, coming from an organization that strikes gold with their prospects, we should all believe them until it stops happening.

2. Moore has been a lot better than his numbers suggest. He struggled to start the year, but don't forget, he missed a lot of time the past two years with injuries. He has gotten better almost every start. He was rated as the #1 prospect in baseball years ago, and many, many scouts still thinks he has the tools to perform.

Duffy was actually a sell-low candidate right now. So much depth at corner infield made him expendable.

Like I said, this was the best move the Giants made.

9.) 02 Aug 2016 21:12:58
Two other things:

1. Comparing Matt Cain to Matt Moore from back to 2012 is a joke. Cain was almost a Cy Young winner and Moore was a rookie.

2. Even if you do that, you're wrong. Moore surpassed Cain in WAR (both fWAR and bWAR), had a higher ERA+, and struck out more batters. Cain was slightly better in FIP/ xFIP.

If we set our completely arbitrary date to 2013, instead of 2012, Matt Moore is the better pitcher and it's not even remotely close.

Moore is a very good pitcher and should be for some time. Not to mention, his contract is ridiculously team friendly.

10.) 03 Aug 2016 20:33:41
I get your pain. Moore is a nice addition but they could have been able to get a back-end starter without giving up someone like Duffy.



20 Jul 2016 17:36:33
Giants Trade Deadline

Giants get - RP Jeanmar Gomez
Phillies get - SP Adalberto Mejia

Giants get - OF Ryan Raburn
Rockies get - SP/ RP Joan Gregorio



CF Span
2B Panik
C Posey
1B Belt
SS Crawford
RF Raburn
3B Gillaspie
LF Pagan

CL Gomez
SU Romo
SU Strickland
MR Kontos
MR Osich
MR Lopez
MR Casilla
LR Law

C Brown
IF Pena
IF Green
OF Blanco

DL: OF Pence, 3B Duffy, RP Gearrin.


1.) 20 Jul 2016 18:18:18
I strongly doubt the Giants give up a top 100 prospect for a reliever.

2.) 20 Jul 2016 19:25:29
@theJerk When the Giants need a reliever as bad as they do now, Mejia is a small price to pay to make that happen.

3.) 20 Jul 2016 20:22:50
Let me rephrase that: The Giants won't give up a top 100 prospect for Jeanmar Gomez.

And especially not a guy that could very likely be a part of the rotation next season (he'll likely get starts during the September roster expansion) .

I could see something along the lines of Ryder Jones + Ty Blach for Gomez, two above average prospects for a reliever.

4.) 20 Jul 2016 20:59:47
And no, you don't sell major pieces for medium upgrades.

Leake and Beltran, from previous deadlines, they were major upgrades. Gomez likely is not.

5.) 21 Jul 2016 04:56:33
You must not be watching the Giants bullpen this season to see how horrible it has been. Gomez is a huge upgrade and in a market with a lot of contenders needing bullpen help and not enough relievers to go around, the Giants need to pull the trigger and send one of their bigger prospects to get someone, like Gomez, Jeffress, or Smith, that can help them now and in the future. Mejia likely would have no spot on the roster, as other prospects are ahead of him on the "next in line" list and the rotation spot the Peavy creates after this season is likely to be filled by a free agent anyway.

6.) 21 Jul 2016 06:08:26
Mejia is the best AAA pitcher the Giants have right now. I don't think anyone really considers Beede an option to start in the rotation next April.

I doubt the Giants fill a SP slot with a free agent. There aren't many options, and allowing the farm to fill a spot creates more salary flexibility.

I watch the Giants every night. The bullpen needs help, badly. But that doesn't mean you give up legitimately great assets for medium upgrades.




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14 Jan 2017 20:00:41
Remaining Free Agent Predictions

Matt Wieters - Angels
Chris Carter - Royals
Adam Lind - Orioles
Mike Napoli - Rangers
Chase Utley - Dodgers
Luis Valbuena - Braves
Michael Saunders - Reds
Jose Bautista - Blue Jays
Mark Trumbo - Royals
Brett Anderson - Pirates
Doug Fister - Twins
Jason Hammel - Yankees
Joe Blanton - Mets
Greg Holland - Nationals
Sergio Romo - Royals
Jerry Blevins - Diamondbacks
JP Howell - Yankees
Boone Logan - Dodgers
Travis Wood - Phillies


1.) 15 Jan 2017 17:23:47
Meant to put Carter on the White Sox, not the Royals.



06 Nov 2016 15:06:34
Free Agent Signing Predictions

Jason Castro - Astros
Wilson Ramos - Nationals
Matt Wieters - Braves
Mitch Moreland - Rockies
Mike Napoli - Indians
Neil Walker - Angels
Justin Turner - Dodgers
Yoenis Cespedes - Blue Jays
Brandon Moss - Reds
Angel Pagan - Phillies
Michael Saunders - Dodgers
Ian Desmond - Giants
Dexter Fowler - Tigers
Carlos Gomez - Rangers
Jose Bautista - Mariners
Josh Reddick - Cardinals
Mark Trumbo - Orioles
Carlos Beltran - Royals
Edwin Encarnacion - Rangers
Kendrys Morales - Blue Jays
Andrew Cashner - Royals
Bartolo Colon - Mets
Doug Fister - Braves
Jeremy Hellickson - Padres
Rich Hill - Marlins
Ivan Nova - Pirates
Greg Holland - Pirates
Kenley Jansen - Dodgers
Mark Melancon - Giants
Aroldis Chapman - Nationals.


1.) 06 Nov 2016 15:48:25
I would love to have Cespedes as a player but I have rumors that he's a clubhouse cancer. I like the idea of Morales though!



05 Nov 2016 17:33:13
What kind of contract do you guys assume Greg Holland will get? The reliever market is thin, and he is coming off TJ surgery, so it won't be as glamorous as Chapman, Jansen, or Melancon, but I still think he will get a good contract. Probably a 1 year commitment with incentives and a club option or two.

My guess: 1 yr/ 8 million w/ 3 million in incentives, 12 million club option for 2018, 14 million player option for 2019

What do you guys think?


1.) 05 Nov 2016 21:30:58
I doubt he even gets &8M guaranteed. He hasn't played in a year and a half. No one is giving top dollar to a guy like that.

2.) 06 Nov 2016 03:24:03
I see him getting a 2 year 22 million dollar deal first year 5M in guarantee with 4M in incentives, second year mutual option 10M guarantee 3M in incentives with a 2M buy out.

3.) 06 Nov 2016 13:06:15
I can see a 2 year incentive laden deal for Holland or a 1 year deal with incentives with a mutual or vesting option.



15 Oct 2016 14:19:20
Giants Offseason

Sign Mark Melancon - 4 yrs/ 44 million

That's it.

CF Denard Span
2B Joe Panik
C Buster Posey
1B Brandon Belt
RF Hunter Pence
SS Brandon Crawford
3B Eduardo Nunez
LF Jarrett Parker/ Mac Williamson

Madison Bumgarner
Johnny Cueto
Matt Moore
Jeff Samardzija
Matt Cain

CL Mark Melancon
SU Derek Law
SU Hunter Strickland
MR Will Smith
MR Cory Gearrin
MR Josh Osich
LR George Kontos

C Trevor Brown
IF Conor Gillaspie
IF Ehire Adrianza
IF Kelby Tomlinson
OF Mac Williamson/ Jarrett Parker

They could sign a LF, but he platoon of Parker and Williamson could conceivably combine for 30 HRs and hit for a decent average, considering the power that they both have.


1.) 15 Oct 2016 16:56:21
Not bad but I see them going out and signing another pen arm and Blach will be in the rotation next year so that either means Cain moves to the pen and Kontos doesn't make the team it they just get rid of Cain and keep Kontos which I think is the more likely situation.

2.) 15 Oct 2016 17:32:14
SFGfan24 you're obviously not a real giants fan if you think all they need is 1 reliever.

Sull i will only say this keep to your team, i don't mean to be rude but its obvious you don't know what you're talking about, there was an article a couple days ago talking about keeping Cain and Kontos and someone in the front office said Kontos will be back next year, i completely forget who because its early but yeah.

3.) 15 Oct 2016 20:04:49
Melancon will get more.

4.) 15 Oct 2016 21:19:02
God, that LF spot will be terrible. I doubt those two combined give the Giants 1.0 WAR.

5.) 16 Oct 2016 14:26:59
@Mamabout All they need is a closer to anchor the ninth. That's where they had their struggles this season. The rest of those guys have been good this year when knowing their role. It has been the bouncing around that has induced the poor play.

@CS16 Blach won't be in the rotation to start the year, but when Cain inevitably gets injured next season he will take the open spot.

@theJerk Parker and Williamson will be a good combo. Both hit for power and play good (enough) defense. Their averages will rise with more routine ABs and their power will be a welcome addition to the lineup.

6.) 16 Oct 2016 16:15:09
I see Parker and Williamson competing for the 4th outfielder spot. I see them possibly going after someone like Saunders or maybe even Moss.

7.) 16 Oct 2016 18:14:40
Also, they aren't going to sign more than 1 reliever. That comes from Bobby Evans himself.

8.) 16 Oct 2016 21:38:16
Again SFGfan obviously you aren't a fan because the backend of the bullpen wasnt the only problem, did you stop watching the offense after the first half? Because there really wasnt any, the fact that no one hit 20 homers is a shame, they need a power bat.

Im going to address your other comments as well "blach won't be in the rotation to start the year" "their avg will rise with more routine ABs" i didn't realize you could tell the future, please tell me who wins the world series next year while you're telling the future.

Never once did i say they needed to over haul the pen, i said they need more than one piece, i believe jerk agrees with me, in the article you linked it says there's likely to be 2 roles to fill, which is more than one which is what I said. Thank you for proving i know what i'm talking about.

9.) 16 Oct 2016 21:42:00
Sull, please stop i'm going to say this as nice as possible, i really think you don't know anything about any teams other than the Red Sox, Why would the Giants sign more lefty bats? And i feel like you're always trying to be right when in reality the majority of people on here have more knowledge about baseball.

10.) 17 Oct 2016 02:26:28

I don't know why Giants fans still think so highly of Williamson/ Parker. I think they've been given more than enough chances to prove they are nothing more than 4th outfielders. This is coming from a hardcore Giants fan, I don't think they are very good.

I'm not sure if Blach will be in the rotation, but it certainly seems like his role to lose. Bochy was VERY high on him, and rightly so. He was incredible.

Also, that link explicitly said there were two open bullpen spots. That's the wrong link if you were trying to prove only one reliever getting signed. I think they sign two guys, especially since there are many relievers in this market.

11.) 17 Oct 2016 15:31:11
The offense was bad due to the decline in production from Posey, Panik, Pence, and Belt in the second half. It can be reasonably expected for those 4 to have better years next year, in addition to a better year in the OBP and SLG categories for Span, which would more than right the ship offensively. Also, the second bullpen spot which the article spoke of is in reference to the second lefty spot, which is going to go to Steven Okert or Josh Osich, whichever one has the better spring.
Also, players that play everyday always hit for a better average then they do when they are relegated to a bench role. This has been shown so many times over baseball history that it is absurd to think otherwise.
Also, they really only need a closer. Law and Strickland had good years as setup men and will continue their roles next season. Smith will also be a good late inning reliever to pair with those two. Then, Gearrin, Kontos, and one of Osich/ Okert will be more than enough for middle relief, leaving only one open bullpen spot (closer) . They could sign another reliever, but that would mean cutting Ehire Adrianza, which I'm okay with, but the organization doesn't seem to want to let him go for some reason, so that likely won't happen.
Also, it's not wise to say that someone else isn't a fan just because they disagree with your opinion. You don't know everything, so don't act like it.

I disagree with your assessment of Williamson/ Parker. They really haven't been given much of a chance to start, and when they have started, they have both been great. This season, Williamson was very productive when Pence was down with injury, he was carrying our lineup at one point. Sadly he hurt his shoulder and missed some time. And Parker, outside of September 2015, has never really been given the opportunity to get regular ABs. (He hit fantastically in Sept 2015 BTW) . Those two could easily combine for a highly productive platoon.
In reference to your point about Blach, yes Bochy was high on him, but that doesn't guarantee a spot on the 2017 roster. I would prefer Blach to Cain 10 times over, but that doesn't mean I think Bochy would give him the roster spot over the longest tenured Giant. The reason I say that is because the Giants organization is famous for using veterans over young guys, and you know that because you are a hardcore Giants fan in your own words. Remember, they played Dan Uggla at 2B over Joe Panik in 2014. I think a similar situation will happen here. Blach will likely finish the season in the rotation, but he won't start there.

12.) 17 Oct 2016 16:35:12
I even said, "I'' not sure if he'll be in the rotation ", but I do think it's Blach's job to lose. You have to remember that since Bobby Evans has been GM, things have been different. The FO values advanced metrics and future projections over past merit. Evans, by the way, is the best thing to happen in San Francisco. They'll be good for a very long time.

As far as the outfield, platooning is a terrible choice. I think Williamson is a great backup outfielder, but sabermetrics would suggest he should not start. I doubt he does.

Honestly, I think they bring back Pagan on a 1-year deal and wait for a better FA market.

13.) 17 Oct 2016 22:48:40
Jerk there's no point in arguing, he already thinks he's 100% right all the time and there's nothing we can say that will change it. Instead of improving the teams offense and bullpen, he wants to keep it the same because he thinks they'll be better next year. My point is and i'm a huge giants fan diehard, if they don't make a couple signings melancon and someone else i doubt they can beat a healthy cubs team, cause i'm pretty sure the cubs will sign some more really good players and make moves.

14.) 18 Oct 2016 03:04:54
You're the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black.

15.) 18 Oct 2016 10:16:59
How? I came at you with facts, you came back with your opinions. I hardly ever, use my own opinions when i'm arguing. Never once have i posted something or commented something and had tons of people on here disagree with me or say what i think is bad, and continued to disagree with them and say i'm right.

I was just rereading your previous post to me and i quote "you don't know everything, so don't act like it" yet your previous posts talk about how you seem to know how players will preform next season. Pot meet kettle.

16.) 18 Oct 2016 13:57:28
Mamba, you're one of the worst when it comes to someone pointing out you're wrong. You got all pissy when I told you that you couldn't trade guys who were just drafted. Then you got all pissy and said you didn't want to hear anyone's "opinion" when it came to your Orioles post where you said Baltimore had the better rotation.

17.) 18 Oct 2016 21:41:59
Thats your opinion, i don't think i'm one of the worst, 1. The drafted players rule just changed and was a little confused, i shouldve admitted i was wrong. 2. that's my bad, in my post i shouldve put recently or not even commented on it, at the time Tillman was having a good year, Gausman had a couple good recent starts along with Bundy, and Gallardo was good recently as well. That doesn't matter though because i was wrong! Ill admit it i was wrong. But i think there's several other people on here that are way worse than me.

18.) 19 Oct 2016 03:29:25
You weren't just "confused", you told me to, and I quote, "learn the rules. "

You're not one of the worst posters here, in fact, you come across as knowledgable, but when people challenge you, you get a little ridiculous.

I appreciate you admitting you were wrong. Thanks for that.



30 Mar 2015 01:04:00
According to MLBDC, the Giants lineup is going to be:

CF Pagan
2B Panik
1B Belt
C Posey
3B McGehee
LF Blanco
RF Aoki
SS Crawford

That lineup is incredibly dumb. Three straight lefties at the bottom and two at 2-3 spots.
The lineup should be:

CF Pagan
2B Panik
C Posey
1B Belt
3B McGehee
SS Crawford
RF Maxwell
LF Aoki

This lineup switches around the lefties and righties, and is a much better lineup for hitting homeruns, as Crawford (who has a little pop) is moved up and Maxwell is in instead of Blanco (at least until Pence comes back).


1.) 30 Mar 2015 07:39:24
You do realize this was how it was for much of last year in the playoffs, right?

Belt-Ishikawa-Crawford was the standard 6-7-8 order in the playoffs.

2.) 30 Mar 2015 07:40:32
Also, why on earth would you put Maxwell in over Blanco? Blanco is significantly more valuable and has proven himself worthy of being the starter until Pence is ready.




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27 Jul 2017 23:40:56
This is a huge overpay.




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15 Jan 2017 17:22:06
Eduardo Nunez in the outfield is a frightening thought.




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27 Nov 2016 20:52:39
Duffy is worth far more than Norris.




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26 Nov 2016 17:01:27
@Red Sox Guy

Not exactly. Williamson has great raw power and could develop into a quality starting LF/ RF in the near future. Coonrod pitched to a 2.55 ERA between A/ AA this season with .209 OPP AVG and 94 Ks. Duggar had his best season yet, hitting .302 with a .388 OBP between A/ AA. In AA, he was even better than his totals, hitting .321 with a .391 OBP. Detroit is getting a good package for a guy they have no use for considering the rebuilding tone they have.




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26 Nov 2016 15:37:04
A 1-for-1 would be more fair. STL giving up two young pitchers is too great a cost for Ozuna. Wacha for Ozuna straight up would be a good deal.





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