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13 Nov 2018 15:40:08
TB: 2B Joey Wendle and RP Chih-Wei Hu

LAD: SP Ross Stripling

With the Dodgers facing some financial limitations and with a plethora of starting pitching options on their roster, they could prefer a cost-saving upgrade. Their starting options are Kershaw, Ryu, Hill, Stripling, Buehler, Urias, Wood, and Maeda, 5 of which are set to make 80 million alone.

Wendle and Stripling are both entering their age 29 seasons after breaking out this past year.

Under control for 5 more years, Wendle finished the year with a 148 wRC+ in the second half and 3.7 fWAR overall. Wendle would give the Dodgers a classic lead off hitter and the type of positional flexibility that the Dodgers appreciate just as much as the Rays.

With four years of control remaining, Stripling was able to finally have sustained success as a starter after spending most of his time in the bullpen and at AAA since breaking into the majors. In the second half, however, he dealt with some leg and back issues that forced the Dodgers to leave him off their postseason roster.

In a vacuum, I think the trade makes a ton of sense for both sides.


1.) 16 Nov 2018 00:41:36
I like it as far as value. It appears to be a pretty even deal. I'm just not sure there's room for Wendle on the roster though. I guess they could try and use him in a Kike Hernandez type of role. Chih-Wei Hu is a good kick-in to replace Stripling. Even though the Dodgers could potentially have some difficult roster decisions, I like the value of the deal for both teams.



09 Nov 2018 07:01:07
STL: 1B/DH Jose Martinez

TB: 2B/3B Matt Duffy

St. Louis has already implied that Martinez could be traded this offseason as he is considered a liability in the field, even at 1B. Already 30 years old and a pure DH, his value and market is limited. With Duffy, the Cardinals would be getting an improvement over Gyorko and Wong, capable of playing 2B or 3B, with a much more high average, contact oriented approach at the plate.

For the Rays, Martinez would conceivably replace Cron as the most days DH. Despite his lack of in-game power, Martinez would infuse a more contact oriented and pure approach from the position, something the Rays have been transitioning towards over the past couple of seasons. The Rays have the middle infield depth to make such a trade with the breakouts of Robertson, Wendle and Lowe, all of whom are capable of handling 2B and 3B.


1.) 11 Nov 2018 23:07:25
It's not insane, but I certainly wouldn't give up Matt Duffy for Jose Martinez.



06 Nov 2018 06:16:35
COL: SP Jon Gray

TB: 2B Joey Wendle


1.) 06 Nov 2018 13:28:00
1. this is terrible, it would take more from the Rays to get Jon Gray.
2. Why would the Rockies trade Gray?

2.) 06 Nov 2018 13:35:59
Jon Gray still has thee years of team control and is only 27. Not to mention, he's pitched very well for Coors Field.

It's going to take significantly more than this to pry him away.

3.) 09 Nov 2018 06:48:11
I fail to see the disconnect.

Last year, in his rookie season, Wendle was worth 3.7 WAR with a 116 wRC+ (7th highest for 2B in MLB), was the 8th best defender at 2B (according to fWAR), and is under control for 5 more seasons.

Meanwhile, Gray was worth 2.7 fWAR and only 1.7 bWAR (Fangraphs uses FIP which favors Gray), has a career 4.56 ERA (3.68 FIP), and only 3 years of control.

Gray clearly has higher potential upside than he has shown thus far, but Wendle arguably has a much higher floor and is under control for an extra 2 years. Just because you know of Gray, more so than Wendle, does not inherently inflate his perceived value.

4.) 11 Nov 2018 23:14:09
No, Joey Wendle does not.

He's an (almost) 29-year-old, late-blooming infielder who has one good season under his belt. You can find those guys in literally every organization in baseball. Team control is not as big when you're talking hitters, and especially worthless when you're talking hitters whose rookie season is when most guys hit free agency.

You're suggesting he's moved for a 25-year-old starter with three seasons of team-control, who is also very, very good pitcher.

It's not a good trade, at all, for Colorado.



17 Jan 2018 07:06:25

TB sends RP Alex Colome (3 years of control), SP Jake Odorizzi (2 years of control)


MIN sends OF Eddie Rosario (4-5 years {might be super 2} of control), 2B/SS Nick Gordon (MILB), SP Tyler Jay, and C Mitch Garver (MILB)


1.) 18 Jan 2018 04:36:40
That'd be a hard pass from Minnesota.



11 Dec 2017 14:27:52
Rockies apparently going hard after Colome...

COL gets RP Alex Colome

TB gets OF David Dahl


1.) 11 Dec 2017 17:08:08
Not enough.

2.) 11 Dec 2017 21:11:45
On the TB side?

3.) 12 Dec 2017 15:36:52
Colome is worth more than just Dahl.

4.) 16 Dec 2017 17:49:22
Gotta add more than a guy who didn't play this season.




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07 Nov 2016 01:39:27
Which trade makes the most sense

TB Jake Odorizzi for:

ATL: deal centered around Inciarte
ARI: deal centered around Peralta
TEX: deal centered around Gallo
HOU: one of Reed/ Tucker/ Fisher and one of Martes/ Paulino
MIA: deal centered around Ozuna.


1.) 07 Nov 2016 03:01:50
Why did you repost this?



06 Nov 2016 06:31:41
Which of these trades makes more sense for Jake Odorizzi and the Rays in your opinion:

TEX: trade centered around Gallo
HOU: Reed/ Tucker/ Fisher and Martes/ Paulino
ARI: Peralta and a couple B prospects
MIA: trade centered around Ozuna
ATL: trade centered around Inciarte.


1.) 06 Nov 2016 13:34:24
If I'm the Marlins I go after Ozuna, but I'm not sure any of these deals would really happen.

2.) 06 Nov 2016 22:40:33
Diamondbacks trade would be out if all others were on the table. Peralta is just not in the same caliber as the others.

Houston's would be attractive purely on quantity.

I think the Rays would want more assurance that Gallo isn't just another Mike Olt.

Ozuna and Inciarte are both good trades.

So really, any but Arizona and Texas.




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16 Nov 2018 22:41:39

"No, it's not a counting stat. Literally no sabermetrics guys consider it one. "

Rather than argue in circles, I decided to outsource this question to a couple baseball writers that I regularly correspond with via email.

Here is my question and the response from Eno Sarris, Baseball Analytics Writer for the Athletic, former Editor and Writer for Fangraphs, and Mike Podhorzer, Fangraphs writer and author of "Projecting X: How to Forecast Baseball Player Performance"

Me - “Could you settle an argument for me in reference to WAR? So would you characterize WAR as more of a counting stat or rate state? My position is that it is more of a counting stat, because it's the aggregate of rate stat effects accrued over time. Aside from weighing the sample size for a rate stat and whether or not it has stabilized, time is really not a variable. I know there are rate stats involved in calculating WAR, but I think it is more of the positive or negative effect those rate stats have had during any given amount of time. So you are essentially "counting" negative and positive attributions of rate stats in the context of runs and wins, right? While the peripheral conditions may change, that is just interdependent on the variable of time. Point being, it's tough to define haha. Is there a better way you would explain this? ”

Eno - "It's interesting. I think of it as a counting stat, but its one of the rare counting stats that can be negative going forward, which makes it act as a rate stat in a way. But the very basic component of WAR is runs, and runs is a counting stat. Because of the 'replacement' concept, it can be negative going forward, is all. Does that help? "

Mike - "It's most certainly a counting stat since WAR can rise or fall with more playing time. Even if the player performs exactly the same, more playing time will change it. That wouldn't be the case if it were a rate stat. There are no rate stats in WAR, you can't turn rate stats into a counting stat. You might think FIP is part of WAR, but it's really the counting stats used to calculate FIP. "




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16 Nov 2018 17:13:20
Agreed, that's a high price. You have to remember that Bauer only has 2 years remaining before FA.




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16 Nov 2018 17:12:11
Not sure this makes sense as the Mariners already have an All-Star shortstop in Segura and the Cardinals do not have an in-house replacement at SS.




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15 Nov 2018 22:28:07
"You also have no idea how WAR is calculated. It’s not a counting stat, so tallying a “rate” doesn’t work that way. "

You just love bulling people on here, don't you?

WAR is a counting stat, in a sense. WAR is the aggregate of rate based statistics measured over time. The more IP or PA in which you accrue positive rates, the higher your corresponding WAR will be. And yes, you can prorate WAR, assuming the base rates remain constant.

Maybe explain this to other posters instead of trying to insult them. Just a thought.




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15 Nov 2018 21:39:25
They are trying to trade Santana so they can move Hoskins back to 1B. And they also placed Bour on waivers. So Hoskins at 1B and Williams at LF?





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