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27 Nov 2018 03:55:07
reds trade: Bailey and Stephenson
Yankees trade: Ellsbury and gray

Contract swap with the reds throwing in a once promising prospect and the yankees throwing in disappointing gray. I think gray bounces back under his old pitching coach and ellsbury becomes the everyday centerfielder. While the yankees hope that bailey and stephenson can turn their careers around. There are other pitching prospect the Reds could offer if the yankees did not want stephenson

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1.) 27 Nov 2018 15:22:30
I wish these sites would ban any comment that suggests Ellsbury gets moved.

Newsflash Yankee fans: He won’t. Not only does no team want the guy, but there’s every indication that he’d block any trade out of New York.


2.) 27 Nov 2018 15:34:08
I think the only way he is off the team is being DFA'd and they eat the money.


3.) 27 Nov 2018 15:43:53
I'm not sure if he would block any move out of New York. I think he'd want to play somewhere rather that the minimal playing time he's likely to get with the Yankees. The key would be how much of his contract they're willing to eat. He's a really good player when healthy. those being the operative words, and I can see someone taking a flyer on him if they aren't having to pay him too much.

The big issue is, how motivated is New York to get him off of their roster? Their outfield is pretty packed at this point, and they might be willing to spend money just to have him go away. One fit would be the Mets. They could really use a CF, and it would be a very Wilponish move to bring in a guy who's been a disappointment somewhere else who used to be a big name for little money. He would also still be in the same city, which could get past his no trade.

Granted these two don't trade much, and he would likely be hurt forever given his history and the Mets' injury issues.


4.) 27 Nov 2018 17:41:32
If Ellsbury is at a league minimum salary, sure.

The Yankees best choice is to DFA him. No one is giving up anything for him. Not even in a bad contract swap.


5.) 27 Nov 2018 17:57:33
Apparently there was talk and it still has potential to happen of a Cano/ Ellsbury swap, but the Yankees want the Mariners to kick in more money for Cano. But I really don't see where Cano would fit in on the Yankees now.


6.) 27 Nov 2018 20:18:26
I’m a Reds fan and I would love to see this trade. Homer Bailey was the worst pitcher in baseball last year and the Reds hope that Ellsbury revives his career. Ellsbury is going to be a lot more helpful than Bailey. I think the Yankees say no to this trade honestly.


7.) 27 Nov 2018 20:28:11
And he could still be a solid player when healthy. In 2017 he had a 350 obp. I guarantee he would start over Hamilton. The Reds would much rather have his contract than baileys. Ellsbury would jump at the opportunity to go to cincy. Get out of New York where he has been scrutinized ever since he has been there and go to a club where the fan base would be ecstatic to see someone other than Billy Hamilton in center field.


8.) 27 Nov 2018 21:26:45
If Cashman turned down an offer to get Ellsbury off the team, he's not that wise.

Taking Ellsbury's deal off of Cano, Cano is worth $14.5M a year. That's not horrible for a guy whose put up about 125 wRC+ in the past 3 seasons. And he can use the PED suspension all he wants, but that'll extend Cano's career (Bartolo Colon, anyone? ) .

So, you can pay a player to play 1B/ 2B/ DH for the next 5 years at a very modest rate, or you can pay Ellsbury almost $24M AAV the next two seasons to probably not even play.

It's a silly move for Cashman to ask for more. He's asking the Mariners to take on a completely useless player at over 20M the next two seasons.


9.) 27 Nov 2018 22:27:26
I guess we will find out what happens during the Winter Meetings. It could happen then. And Ellsbury is at best the 5th outfielder on the team and could be the 6th beset outfielder if they keep Frazier and he turns it around, so he is 20 million dollar bench player now.


 

 

22 Jan 2018 05:57:35
I think the Reds need to get rid of some out field with Winker coming up and I don't think they will trade Hamilton.

Reds get: Danny Salazar
Indians get: Scott Schebler

Schebler had a strong year last year and the time to cash in on him is now. Salazar was hurt parts of last year and is primed for a bounce back.

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1.) 22 Jan 2018 13:14:49
The Indians don't need another LHH outfielder who barely cracked .300 OBP while striking out a fourth of the time and playing, at best, average defense. Not for a guy who can be a # 3 SP. and better when he's on.

Change out Shebler for Duvall (they're essentially the same player. one's a RHH, the other a LHH, both are average defenders. etc. ) and make the deal all about the addition of Raisel Iglesias (the Indians would be required to add, as well), then, perhaps a deal can be cobbled together.


 

 

17 Jan 2018 05:10:18
Reds get: Yellich
Marlins get: Winker, Amir Garret, Robert Stephenson. They could also put in schebler to sweeten the deal, I think he is going to fall off though.


Reds get an OBP machine to put ahead of Votto for the next 5 years at a contract that they can even afford. The marlins get an immediate replacement in Winker and two MLB ready pitchers with very high upside.

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1.) 17 Jan 2018 14:24:27
That's not terrible, but I think the Marlins are going to want to be blown away for Yelich. This seems like it would be the exact kind of package the Pirates are looking for in return for their players though. It might be too much, but they could probably knock one of those pitchers off the trade and make it work out.


2.) 17 Jan 2018 14:56:47
I know there are no signs the Pirates would trade him but they might as well go full rebuild. What about Schebler, Stephenson, Garret for Marte?


3.) 17 Jan 2018 15:30:09
Not terrible, but I think that package would be topped by multiple teams. The Reds have a solid farm, but I don't think they are in the position to get in a bidding war with prospects.


4.) 18 Jan 2018 14:39:26
I don't know how many teams would be jumping to beat that deal right now. PED suspensions hang heavy, and I think I'd need to see another year of his normal production before I'm throwing too much to Pitt. If a team like the Reds really wants him, you're in the perfect buy low scenario.


5.) 18 Jan 2018 20:18:43
The problem with the reds front office is that they overvalue some of these overhyped prospects. The time to cash in on some of them is now, I think they are one good hitter with a OBP over 360 and a decent starting pitcher away from contending in the central. I know the chances of them trading for one of those guys and signing a guy like Lynn or Cobb are not good but I think that's all they would need.


 

 

 

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14 Dec 2018 20:40:45
Overpay for hill and jones. And you don’t even have schebler starting over Ervin. Desclafani will also be in the starting rotation. None of this is accurate.

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27 Nov 2018 20:28:11
And he could still be a solid player when healthy. In 2017 he had a 350 obp. I guarantee he would start over Hamilton. The Reds would much rather have his contract than baileys. Ellsbury would jump at the opportunity to go to cincy. Get out of New York where he has been scrutinized ever since he has been there and go to a club where the fan base would be ecstatic to see someone other than Billy Hamilton in center field.

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27 Nov 2018 20:18:26
I’m a Reds fan and I would love to see this trade. Homer Bailey was the worst pitcher in baseball last year and the Reds hope that Ellsbury revives his career. Ellsbury is going to be a lot more helpful than Bailey. I think the Yankees say no to this trade honestly.

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18 Jan 2018 20:18:43
The problem with the reds front office is that they overvalue some of these overhyped prospects. The time to cash in on some of them is now, I think they are one good hitter with a OBP over 360 and a decent starting pitcher away from contending in the central. I know the chances of them trading for one of those guys and signing a guy like Lynn or Cobb are not good but I think that's all they would need.

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17 Jan 2018 14:56:47
I know there are no signs the Pirates would trade him but they might as well go full rebuild. What about Schebler, Stephenson, Garret for Marte?

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