26 Jul 2017 14:05:39
Yankees

NYY- Sonny Gray, Yonder Alonso
OAK- Chance Adams, Estevan Florial, Jorge Mateo

1.) 26 Jul 2017
26 Jul 2017 15:08:01
you got this off bleacher report.

2.) 26 Jul 2017
26 Jul 2017 15:53:51
I didn't, but I have heard that the Yankees are working on a trade for both Gray and Alonso and they're interested in Florial. I think Mateo and Adams would make this a good deal for both.

3.) 26 Jul 2017
26 Jul 2017 16:31:04
Oh, its pretty much what bleacher report said. But I see the A's getting one of Mateo and Florial, not both. Secondly the pitching prospect I see them getting would be Domingo Acevedo.

4.) 26 Jul 2017
26 Jul 2017 16:46:19
If they're getting both Gray and Alonso, I can see them getting back both. Either way, the Yankees are tearing down a good farm for some mediocre players. Not sure I agree. Gray is too inconsistent for my liking.

5.) 26 Jul 2017
26 Jul 2017 16:58:36
For Both Sonny Gray and Yonder Alonso the Yankees will have to part with 1 of their top prospects.

Oak wants a CF. I am sure they are asking for Frazier.

Maybe they can offer Hicks and a prospect instead.

6.) 26 Jul 2017
26 Jul 2017 16:59:42
I think Yanks are going to find price too high and look to Duda from NYM for 1b.

7.) 26 Jul 2017
26 Jul 2017 17:28:25
I don't see how they are tearing the Farm down, They have a very very deep farm system, the players they have dealt and are rumored to be dealing are from areas where they have tons of depth, OF, Pitching, Mid infield.

8.) 26 Jul 2017
26 Jul 2017 17:35:41
I fth eYanks trade for Gray-their 2018 rotation will be Tanaka, Severino, Montgomery, Gray AND Adams. He is primed for 2018. They will not give up a potential 2018 starter. AJ and Dan-you're Mets fans right? First, how are the Yanks tearing sown farm system for mediocre talent? Rutherford was still at least 3 yrs away from majors and the Yanks have lots of depth in OF. Robertson proven and Kahnle described by rival GM as "steal of trade. " (3+ yrs of control) Also enables them opportunity to dangle Betances in winter for stud starter. As for Duda- he would be a good fit. BUT, Alderson will screw it up by asking for too much. Alonso, Joseph available also. He will blow it! Remember-even his best trade-Cespedes- he lucked into. His first trade didn't go through-Carlos Gomez. I think Cespedes was his 3rd choice. Back to Gray-Mateo and Florial possible, but I doubt Adams is included.

9.) 26 Jul 2017
26 Jul 2017 20:04:49
This gets beat by 3-4 other teams. The Brewers, Braves, Dodgers, Astros are just 4 teams who would easily beat this offer.

10.) 27 Jul 2017
26 Jul 2017 23:56:05
Hay stat let's look back a week from now. See WHO gets Gray AND How Much they pay.

11.) 27 Jul 2017
27 Jul 2017 05:24:10
Translation: "hey man, I have no means to come back, so I'm just going to tell you to wait and see that I'm right, even though I've given you no reason to think I am. "

Yes, I could very well be wrong. But I think there are teams that need a guy like Gray as much, if not more, than the Yankees, who have as much depth. Because, believe it or not, other teams have as much depth as the Yankees.

12.) 27 Jul 2017
27 Jul 2017 12:43:49
Y'all need to turn off force trades like you're playing a video game. Young controllable starting pitching comes with a price.

Beane has no incentive to trade him and thus has all the leverage. Same thing with Quintana when I had to hear that he wouldn't even bring back a top 50 prospect the last 6 months.

13.) 27 Jul 2017
27 Jul 2017 00:55:51
Hey Mitch, let's look back two weeks ago when Quintana landed Eloy Jimenez, Dylan Cease and more and you attributed it to Theo being desperate.

I really don't get why this site thinks every prospect turns out to be Kris Bryant and young controllable arms are a dime a dozen.

Y'all need to turn off force trades on your video games. Pitching comes with a price.

14.) 27 Jul 2017
27 Jul 2017 01:03:41
Then again, some people on this site still value pitchers by win totals so the rationale doesn't completely surprise me.

15.) 27 Jul 2017
27 Jul 2017 19:13:02
Drake- Chisox rec'd 2 top 100 prospects for Q. You were asking for at least 3 from Yanks. WRONG! They didn't get 3. Astros, Dodgers, Pirates, Yanks and Braves all wouldn't meet asking price-but YOU know better than them. Cubs weren't even discussed in Q offseason trade talks. Poor performance dictated the trade. Cubs are a win-now team with age and free agents all through rotation. Is that too difficult for you to understand? Not every prospect turns into Bryant, but it is called ASSET MANAGEMENT. LOOK IT UP. Stat-Mark Feinsand-who covers Yanks-said Cashman claims Adams is untouchable. That is EXACTLY what I said. I consider opinions from smart baseball people. You simply state your own misguided opinion. Again-Yanks will NOT give up Adams along with Florial and Mateo to A's. That is my statement. Let's all laugh and look at Drake's past proposals for Quintana. Funnier than Seinfeld!

16.) 27 Jul 2017
27 Jul 2017 19:25:07
Drake-BTW- when we were discussing QA trades over winter, Eloy J and Cease were ranked #23 and #98 prospects. You can honestly tell us that you would have taken those 2 plus 2 lesser prospects for Quintana over the winter. Remember-everyone reading this will see if you are full of it or not. You wanted much more than that. I think it was Torres, Frazier and Sheefield (#15,17,73). Truth?

17.) 27 Jul 2017
27 Jul 2017 21:35:33
Never said I wanted Fraizer and Torres for Q but glad you feel the need to write a 2000 word essay attempting invalidate others to make yourself feel smarter.

I also never implied the yankees should in fact trade either Torres or Fraizer for Gray. What i'm saying is, if they want him, that's what it will cost because other teams will easily outbid an offer headlined by Mateo or Sheffield.

Oh also Eloy is ranked 5th by prospectus and and 7th on pipeline. Not 23rd. If Theo was in win now mode and didn't think Q was worth it, he would've gone after a rental like Verlander or Darvish for much cheaper.

Truth?

18.) 27 Jul 2017
27 Jul 2017 21:38:47
But please tell me how i'm wrong, run down Chance Adams' numbers in AA, call me delusional and throw in a few words in all CAPS. That will show me!

19.) 28 Jul 2017
28 Jul 2017 00:17:46
Learn how to read Drake-I said WHEN (I need to emphasize) we were discussing Q trade in WINTER-Eloy and Cease were #23 and #98. Again would you have traded Q for that package, at that time? If you're honest, no! At that time, you asked for 3 Top 100 prospects-which they did not get. Who did you ask for from the Yanks for Q? Remind me please. How is Verlander a rental? Lester is only starter signed for 2018. That's why they had to make move. Needed pitchers for '18. Do you understand?

20.) 28 Jul 2017
28 Jul 2017 01:15:02
What would it matter their value last winter? Lol. They actually have Hendricks signed as well through 18.

Really it doesn't matter, they paid heavy for him and thus that's his value. And if you think you're outbidding teams with one or two mid tier prospects you're not getting Gray. All the angry paragraphs in the world won't change that.

21.) 28 Jul 2017
28 Jul 2017 03:26:31
You quote this long diatribe about who is untouchable. If they won't trade any of their top prospects, they will quickly be outbid for Sonny Gray.

They will have to offer up 2 of Torres/ Frazier/ Adams/ Florial/ Sheffield, likely just to stay in the running. If they won't, they will easily get outbid by 4-5 other teams who actually see the value in adding a guy like Sonny Gray.

22.) 28 Jul 2017
28 Jul 2017 14:13:29
I think that the Yankees could get Gray without Torres or Frazier in the trade, they have a good system. However it doesn't seem at this point that is likely. Oakland is said to want one of Torres or Frazier. That is something I don't see the Yankees doing. Cashman worked hard last year to get them. The only way I see them getting Gray without those one of those two is at 3pm Eastern Time on July 31st, Darvish and Verlander have been traded to other teams and the only team left with a good offer bidding for Gray is the Yankees.

23.) 28 Jul 2017
28 Jul 2017 19:05:46
Batman, I agree to an extent. Their farm is loaded, absolutely agree. I think if the deal happened without Fraizer or Torres though, You're looking at at least two of: Chance Adams, Mateo, Sheffield, Florial, Fowler, and a top 15 system guy along with a lottery ticket type of prospect.

My thing is, once teams get desperate, all it takes is for one team to take the bait. I. E. Houston giving up Tucker, Nats giving up Robles, etc. And that trumps anything the Yankees can offer short of Torres or Frazier.

If no one takes the bait though, you have a really fair point.

24.) 28 Jul 2017
28 Jul 2017 19:34:17
Of course, if the Yankees are the only ones left bidding, Gray will have a cheaper price tag. But the cheaper his price tag gets, the more teams that could bid, or enter back into the fold.

Yankees fans have quickly rejected any idea of a trade involving what would be the #62 prospect per MLB. com. If it's that cheap, you have almost every team in baseball who could realistically trade something for him.

This is why all of this has been so silly. Yankees will have to give up something of significant value if they want Gray.

25.) 29 Jul 2017
29 Jul 2017 05:28:41
They most definitely are going to have to give up something of value. I see Florial being the piece with 3 others. I don't see Cashman caving on not putting Frazier or Torres in it, and maybe Beane is just seeing if they are serious about it. I also want to bring up again the whole prospect ranking thing again or whatever that was being discussed earlier. Remember when the Yankees would trade Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Mason Williams, Manny Banuelos, Jesus Montero and several others I can't think of- how they work out.

26.) 29 Jul 2017
29 Jul 2017 14:44:24
Florial + others won't be enough, unless those "others" are also top 100 prospects.