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29 Jul 2017 22:26:35
Sonny Gray to NYY
Estevan Florist, Jorge Mateo & Jorge Guzman to Oak
1.) 29 Jul 2017 23:37:28
Without giving up Frazier or Torres, Yankees have to give up a pretty large return.
I'd imagine Florial+ Mateo + 2-3 other significant pieces.
2.) 30 Jul 2017 07:14:55
stats, if you have been paying to factual info today you would know they are probably going to get Gray without Frazier and Torres. Its also been said the A's prefer Florial to Frazier because of his defense in center. the hold up in trade talks wasn't the fact wouldn't give one of those 2 up it was something else.
3.) 30 Jul 2017 13:52:15
I'm well aware of that. Which is why I opine that without either guy, it'll be a larger quantity of prospects going back to Oakland. With Frazier/ Torres, not much else is needed.
Florial is a somewhat divisive prospect still, and due to his youth, I'd imagine the A's would want to minimize the risk by having 3-4 significant pieces attached.
4.) 30 Jul 2017 14:12:38
Oh i get what your saying now. Yes I'd imagine it would be a 4 player package. Now they have some leverage with acquiring Garcia or that's how the insiders think.
5.) 30 Jul 2017 17:56:34
Sorry if it wasn't clear at first.
I actually think the Yankeesare better off moving Frazier than losing a large bit of depth. But I guess this is why the Yankees never called me haha.
6.) 31 Jul 2017 13:21:07
Frazier has already proven he can play at the MLB level. The other guys? Not so much. The Yanks have the money to add depth through free agency.
05 Jul 2017 17:16:15
So the Cardinals are interested in Donaldson. I think he is going to bring back a huge return. Possibly something along these lines...
Cards get Donaldson
Blue Jays get Alex Reyes, Delvin Perez, Dylan Carlson and Jack Flaherty
31 May 2017 18:53:46
I think the Rockies might go after a big time starter. I could see them dealing for Chris Archer. Here it is:
Rockies get Chris Archer
Rays get Ryan McMahon, Ramiel Tapia and Riley Pint.
Tampa gets some young offensive prospects and a potential future ace in Pint.
The Rockies get an ace who can push them into the playoffs and possibly beyond. He will eat a lot of innings to keep the bullpen fresh and will take pressure off of Sentezala, Hoffman, Freeman's and company.
1.) 31 May 2017 21:21:42
I think you're right that the Rockies should go after a starter and I think they need to sweeten the pot if they want Archer.
While I love Pint as a prospect, he's only 19. Not quite sure I'd label him a future ace quite yet.
2.) 31 May 2017 21:35:02
For Archer, the Rockies will have to give up premium, young MLB talent. We're talking the likes of David Dahl, Hoffman + 2 of their top 3 prospects in their organization.
3.) 31 May 2017 22:26:07
Not bad, but I think it takes more to get Archer.
4.) 01 Jun 2017 00:56:06
Maybe switch out Pint for Hoffman, switch Dahl for Tapia and add Dom Nunez.
5.) 01 Jun 2017 02:55:23
@ Scottness89, I think that value is there but do you think Rox are willing to part with Dahl/ Hoffman right now? I don't pay attention to them enough to understand how much they currently contribute but my guess is enough to not part ways with.
I think putting a package around Rogers would be the way to go. It might hurt parting with your top prospect but it allows you to keep your team in tact this year and likely retain depth in your system.
6.) 01 Jun 2017 05:37:31
The Rockies won't part with those guys. But the Rays aren't going to just hand Archer over. They will get premium, young MLB talent for him.
7.) 01 Jun 2017 13:01:54
I think Dahl becomes somewhat expendable given that they have Cargo, Parra and Blackmon who are all left handed hitting OFs, not to mention Tapia on the cusp. And after giving it more thought, I think they'd trade Hoffman before Pint. Hoffman just reminds me of an AL guy. I think his repertoire could be shaky in Coors.
As for Rogers, I don't see Colorado moving him at all. He will be the shortstop soon enough. He's going to be more consistent than Story.
22 Dec 2016 19:08:35
Pirates- Quintana
White Sox-Austin Meadows, Mitch Keller, Kevin Newman.
1.) 22 Dec 2016 19:30:38
Pirates won't trade Meadows especially with Newman and Kellerm They really don't want to trade Keller and would prefer not to lose Newman but would be okay. Change Keller to Glasnow and Meadows for maybe Hayes or Craig and your on the right track as to what the Pirates would do.
2.) 22 Dec 2016 19:40:24
BuccoFan21.You're saying Glasnow, Newman, and Hayes/ Craig, I could live with that, but I'm not sure CWS would go for that.
3.) 22 Dec 2016 20:09:50
Yeah, for Quintana, it's going to cost Meadows and Glasgow and probably more.
4.) 22 Dec 2016 20:39:14
Meadows and Glasnow?! good chance that's a hard no from PIT. Meadows Keller Newman is a great offer and what it would take for he whitesox to deal Quintana. They are going to get more for him than they got for Eaton.
5.) 22 Dec 2016 21:10:54
huskers that's way too much and Rob I agree I was just saying would would work from the Pirates side and maybe kinda the sox.
6.) 22 Dec 2016 22:22:18
I promise you, Chicago doesn't accept a deal without both those guys. They shouldn't and won't.
7.) 22 Dec 2016 22:50:27
Huskers got to disagree, I think meadows, Newman headlining with maybe a Hayes, Diez, behind them gets it done.
Glasnow AND meadows ends up hurting Pittsburg.
8.) 23 Dec 2016 00:17:07
The Pirates will not trade Meadows Taillon or Glasnow. If that is what it takes they will not make a trade. If a deal is going to be done Josh Bell will be the center piece. White Sox need hitting prospects.
9.) 23 Dec 2016 00:29:41
Huskers is definitely a Chi Sox fan if he thinks Quintana will take Glasnow AND Meadows.
10.) 23 Dec 2016 01:05:15
Or a realistic baseball fan?
Quintana is a top 15 pitcher and has a ridiculously team-friendly deal. His value is unbelievable. Honestly, just Glasnow + Meadows gets turned down by Chicago.
11.) 23 Dec 2016 02:18:24
Huskers you have literally no clue what you are talking about and the Pirates would never in a million years trade Glasnow AND Meadows AND more, a Quintana trade wouldn't need both of them and even if it did there wouldn't be a need for much more.
12.) 23 Dec 2016 05:13:09
Meadows isn't going anywhere. He's the replacement for Mcutchen.
13.) 23 Dec 2016 08:25:10
I think Chisox will keep Jose Quintana but I would trade him to Pirates for
1. Josh Bell - 1b/ of
2. Tyler Glasnow - rhp
3. Kevin Newman -ss.
14.) 23 Dec 2016 13:46:49
Bucco, and never in a million years do they get Quintana.
The White Sox have made out like bandits in the Sale and Eaton trades. There is no reason to sell low on Quintana. Taking Meadows and Glasnow would be selling low.
15.) 23 Dec 2016 13:50:47
You dint know what you are talking about
16.) 23 Dec 2016 14:39:02
Two top 10 prospects isn't fair for a top 15 pitcher in all of baseball?
I can't tell if Pirates fans are intentionally delusional or if it comes naturally?
17.) 23 Dec 2016 14:45:20
Heck, he's a top 10 pitcher, not top 15. He is up there with Bumgarner and Lester in terms of production.
You aren't acquiring some middle rotation pitcher. You're acquiring one of the best pitchers in all of baseball. That's not going to come at the price of one great prospect and organizational fodder. That comes at the price of 2-3 of the best prospects in baseball.
If I'm Chicago, I'm demanding Glasnow, Meadows, AND one of Bell/ Newman/ Keller.
It costs a lot to acquire a top 10 pitcher in the game.
18.) 23 Dec 2016 15:16:02
Huskers, even if that's what Genghis Hahn is asking for, put yourself in Pittsburg's shoes. Q gives puts you in wildcard contention, yes.
But, the Pirates aren't the yankees, cubs, dodgers, etc. they need these young guys to be actual contributors down the stretch. So taking away a back end guy like Glasnow AND an Austin Meadows who can be a late inning speed and D guy down the stretch, hurts your team for the future but also now.
19.) 23 Dec 2016 15:53:05
Then perhaps Pittsburgh doesn't have the ability to acquire a guy like Quintana if they can't give up Meadows and Glasnow, which is MORE than fair.
Quintana is a top 10 pitcher on a ridiculously great contract. His value isn't determined by what Pittsburgh's organization looks like. He should and will get a similar return that Chris Sale brought in.
To be honest, I bet at least two of Glasnow, Meadows, Newnan, and Bell go in a trade for someone like Jake Odorizzi. This market, it's going to take a serious, serious payment for guys like Quintana.
20.) 23 Dec 2016 16:00:33
To put this into perspective, Pirates fans, if the Yankees wanted Gerrit Cole and offered Jorge Mateo and Blake Rutherford, among other organizational fodder, wouldn't you want the Pirates to hold out for Frazier and Torres? Because that would be the more fair deal.
21.) 23 Dec 2016 21:01:06
Quintana Top 10? Kershaw-Bumgarner-Lester-Arrieta-Scherzer-Syndergaard-DeGrom-Kluber-Verlander-Sale-Price-Sanchez-Tanaka-Archer-Keuchel. There's definitely 15 better than Q. Add in Hendricks-Porcello-King Felix-Harvey-Teheran-Odorizzi-Cobb-Tillman-Salazar-Strasburg-he may not be Top 25, let alone Top 10.
22.) 23 Dec 2016 22:09:44
Last 3 seasons combined, he's 8th in WAR amongst pitchers. He was 10th last year alone.
There are more well-known guys out there, but certainly not that many better guys. Quintana is outstanding.
23.) 23 Dec 2016 23:09:34
Husker-Q is a good #2. Not an ace. WAR is so flawed. Heyward got paid 26 mil for 6.5 and 6.2 in 2 previous seasons. Ellsbury got 21 mil for 5.3 and 8.1 in '11 and '13. Are they worth it? NO WAY. WAR is not great. Like Harold Reynolds said on MLB Network-when did Quintana become Randy Johnson? On my list tell me who is he better than in my Top 15-NONE-He's #20-30 at best. NOT AN ACE. Not Top 10 like you stated. He a good, legitimate #2. Torres and Frazier? NEVER!
24.) 24 Dec 2016 01:32:00
Wait, you used a) how much teams pay players and b) the WAR of two batters to try and destroy the notion and value of WAR? That's precious.
First off, what teams pay players is largely irrelevant to the conversation of WAR.
Second, you managed to pick two players whose skill sets are the most unreliable and up-and-down in the game. Defense-first players will have large fluctuations in their WAR, as will guys who are base-running/ speed types. Those are not skills you can rely on for long periods of time. Any understanding of how WAR works and how it's accumulated would tell you this.
Pitching WAR is a lot more reliable, especially as they shore up xFIP and other advanced metrics. You won't see major fluctuations in players, unless they have major fluctuations in their stats.
In terms of the question you asked, over the past three seasons he's better than everyone except Kershaw, Kluber, Price, Scherzer, Sale, Arrieta, and Lester.
And let me ask you this, what stat would you use to determine who is the best? Please, enlighten me as to the entirely basic, arbitrary stat you would use.
25.) 24 Dec 2016 03:41:50
Hey Husker-why don't you read Phil Rogers' article on MLB. com. He thinks Quintana to Pirates for Meadows, Frazier and Holmes is a fair deal. You want Meadows, Glasgow plus. Is he crazy or are you? Meadows and Glasgow is selling low? - I can't stop laughing.
26.) 24 Dec 2016 13:56:30
He also got laughed off the MLB Network for suggesting Trout for Harper + Giolito was totally fair. Nobody believes what Phil Rogers has to say.
And yes, two top ten prospects for a TOP TEN pitcher (according to objective standards, still waiting for yours) is selling low.
27.) 24 Dec 2016 18:58:33
Husker- would you give up "2 - 3 of the best prospects in baseball" (your words) for a player who's best season was #35 in WAR and with a career average of 4.0? NO-a good player-not a great player. And before last year (his best) lifetime 3.5 avg WAR- Not GREAT! Also he accumulated these numbers while pitching in the 4th best pitchers park in the majors (ESPN) . Put him in Pitt (avg park) Tex or Yanks (hitters parks where his fly ball rate would be worrisome- NOT GREAT! Let's not forget he is 1 win and 2 losses with 9 earned runs in 14 innings at Yankee Stadium. Yanks not giving up Torres and Frazier for that-Not worth "2 - 3 of the best prospects in baseball"
28.) 25 Dec 2016 06:07:21
Mitchsam Quintana's war is consistently top 10 in the game so who the hell r u talking about who's war was at top 35 in the game.
29.) 25 Dec 2016 22:57:56
Cullen-according to ESPN Quintana's WAR for 2016 is ranked #35, His previous rankings were #38, 34 and 101. Not Top 10 Pitcher. If you just want pitchers WAR- 11th,16th,30th and 11th. Never good enough to crack top 10. NOT consistently top 10 (like you state) Consistent GOOD pitcher. Not an ace. Sale is an ace-already has a 4th,5th and 6th WAR ranking and 5-time allstar.
30.) 26 Dec 2016 01:08:38
Really, because all of the other sites including MLB. com, cbs disagree.
31.) 26 Dec 2016 04:58:30
We r talking about pitcher war not overall war.
32.) 26 Dec 2016 14:58:47
Cullen, first of all, you are not trading pitcher for pitcher only. If a position player is involved in a trade overall WAR is used-not only pitcher WAR. Secondly, even pitcher WAR he never cracked Top 10 in any of his seasons. 11th, 16th, 30th and 11th. How could you call someone a Top 10 pitcher-he never made Top 10 using your own WAR criteria. Just look at 2016 - his best year. Not Top 10 in any pitching category, except Innings pitched.
If he's not Top 10 in his best year, how can he be "consistent Top 10?" The WAR info:
(pitching) - https://goo.gl/npYs7l
(overall) - https://goo.gl/Noodv2
33.) 26 Dec 2016 15:15:12
Cullen-You can use only pitcher's WAR if you are trading pitcher for pitcher only. Value has to be assessed for ALL players. But, even if you use only pitcher's WAR- Quintana was 11th,16th,30th and 11th. Never once made Top 10. Let's look at his 2016 season-his best. Not Top 10 in any pitching category except Innings pitched. Explain to me how you can state-"consistent Top 10 pitcher? " ESPN and Fangraphs have all the stats. He averages 4.1/ season WAR. According to Sean Smith (developer of WAR) an 8 WAR equals MVP candidate, a 5 WAR equals allstar level. If Q has 4.1 avg. -not considered Allstar. How can he be Top 10 if not an allstar pitcher level.
34.) 26 Dec 2016 15:53:16
Sorry about the double posting-was having trouble with posts.
35.) 26 Dec 2016 17:26:33
This is not the case here because a position players play a lot more than pitchers so the value cannot always be the same for example the guy right ahead of Quintana is Lemahieu, played 146 games and although he is a great player, (I am a Rockies fan too, if u don't believe me check my posts), 10/ 10 gms would rather have Quintana so it would not be all fair if you compared pitchers to positions players war.
36.) 26 Dec 2016 18:07:23
Cullen-you are wrong. If you can't compare pitchers to every day players, why would they list players in an overall listing? They would just have Pitching and Position players separate and not combine them together in the first place. Also The reason you CAN compare them is because the values are assigned by Wins Against Replacements. How well you perform against others at your position. Pitchers are valued against replacement PITCHERS. So values can be compared. Again, I have no problem with teams valuing and overpaying for starters-it's that you stated that Quintana is a consistent top 10 pitcher-which you can not validate. He should be offered at fair cost- not Meadows, Glasnow plus others as Huskers stated. Again, good not great pitcher. And according to WAR guru-not an All-star level.
37.) 26 Dec 2016 21:19:20
You're wrong mitchsam however cuz Quintana is a top 10 pitcher, look at his war each year, last year 11th, 2015 10th, 2014 9th if u don't believe me
https://goo.gl/HBemTt
38.) 27 Dec 2016 00:07:36
Cullen-first of all those WAR rankings are for 2 seasons only. ('14 and'15) Even so, did you notice that over those 2 seasons, he is the only pitcher in top 20 with a losing record? Don't say bad team because Sale with the same team has 25-15 record and Q 18-21. If you dig a little further on your link for his career-not Top 10. Also his 19.7 over 5 seasons equates to WAR under 4/ season. Not an All-star according to WAR. Pick any back-to-back seasons and he has never averaged over 5 for those 2 seasons. So, he has never had "all-star" seasons 2 years in a row. If you check Steamer's projection for Quintana #22 WAR for pitchers. Just a projection- but that numerical formula doesn't see Top 10 pitcher either.
39.) 27 Dec 2016 06:58:10
so what u r saying is that win loss is a huge deal because of u r then had bettis is better than Quintana, Chris Tillman is, because after all they have better win loss right. Do u see how flawed win loss is it is all about run support and whatever idea u have for war that makes Quintana a non top 10 pitcher, you can tell that to the creator of war and all the baseball statisticians who use it.
40.) 27 Dec 2016 12:37:31
Cullen, that's the problem with WAR-different sites use different criteria. Baseball-reference has Q's WAR for '16 as 11th
https://goo.gl/qCv2Wb
for'15 is 18th
https://goo.gl/P70xT1
and for '14 he is 34th
https://goo.gl/48hnOK
So, according to them he never made Top 10. Because WAR is flawed-let's use stats that are indisputable-ERA,Wins,Win %, WHIP etc.
As you can see Quintana is not top 10 in any pitching category except Innings pitched in'16, Hits given up(#2) in'15 and FIP in '14.
https://goo.gl/npYs7l
just change the year for proof. BTW,Fangraph's Steamer projection for Q in 2017 is #22 WAR(4.1) and 3.74 ERA(51st)
https://goo.gl/bqidKj
I know they are only projections, but using mathematical formulas, someone besides me does not envision Q as a Top 10 pitcher.
41.) 27 Dec 2016 16:54:44
That's your opinion then I believe he is but that is the beauty of this site we can express our opinions.
42.) 27 Dec 2016 18:20:51
Cullen- so what your saying is WAR which is very subjective (each site has different criteria) is the most important factor? Baseball-reference. com has Q in his best season at #34 overall and #11 pitcher. I prefer to look at ERA, win-loss% (especially when Sale had same team in same ballpark 17-10 vs. 13-12,) WHIP, Hits per/ 9 IP, Base on balls per/ 9, K's per/ 9, K's/ walk, Adjusted ERA and adjusted pitching wins. Not Top ten in any (in his best year. ) He also has .258 Batting avg. against in career-not dominant at all. Let's not forget his yearly avg WAR (your beloved stat) is 4.1- well below the 5.0 threshold for Allstars. If the only criteria you use is WAR-then Quintana is GREAT! But using all the other rankings in the other pitching categories-not an ace (or top 10,) solid #2.
43.) 27 Dec 2016 20:32:27
I do not think win loss is the best way to judge, A because for example Shelby Miller's best year he was 6-17 with a 3.02 ERA, how is that fair to judge. I do prefer war because it combines every stat there is but I like K-B. B. Ratio, ERA, home run per nine innings, bb per nine innings.
02 Dec 2016 17:03:43
Nationals- Andrew McCutchen
Pirates- Victor Robles, Erick Fedde, Taylor Jordan.
1.) 02 Dec 2016 19:24:09
Are you kidding me! Nationals would have to throw in Angelo Gumbs for sure.
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30 Jun 2016 19:33:24
Dodgers/ Braves Trade
LA: Julio Teheran and Arodys Vizcaino
ATL: Jose DeLeon, Alex Verdugo, Cody Bellinger, Austin Barnes, Starling Heredia
The Braves have done a nice job re-tooling their farm system, especially with starting pitching. This trade gives them some prospects on the offensive side. They need to upgrade their OF and Verdugo has a great arm and bats from the left side. He can take over RF eventually. Heredia has a lot of upside as well. Cody Bellinger is a good looking 1B prospect who could replace Freeman in a few years. Austin Barnes is MLB ready now behind the plate.
And of course they get Jose DeLeon to pair with a handful of lefties in the future rotation (Newcomb, Allard) to balance the right handedness.
For the dodgers, they get a legit, durable starter to sloe behind Kershaw and Maeda who can provide stability since their is uncertainty surrounding Ryu, Mccarthy etc. They also di it without giving up Urias.
In Vizcaino they can sure up the back end of the bullpen that has been weak this year outside of Kenley Jansen.
1.) 30 Jun 2016 20:51:43
Braves would likely want position players for Teheran, not more pitchers.
2.) 01 Jul 2016 11:35:56
I'd agree that they would want a better position player in the deal than Verdugo/ Bellinger but I also think that if they trade both of these guys De Leon has to be in the deal.
3.) 01 Jul 2016 18:59:15
Braves would probably be seeking someone like Joc Pederson in a deal for Teheran.
Teheran is young and controllable. Plus, he'll be a very popular trade target. It won't be cheap.
26 Apr 2016 18:39:20
The Astros can still right the ship, but they'll need more consistency from the corner infield spots and definitely a frontline starter. Here a few proposals if they decide to go for a potential pennant.
Hou: Chris Archer
TB: Michael Feliz, Alex Bregman, Derek Fisher
Houston gets a bonafide frontline starter to pair with Keuchel and the Rays get solid prospects. Bregman is the odd man out in HOU thanks to Altuve and Correa.
Hou: Jose Fernandez, Martin Prado
Mia: Francis Martes, AJ Reed, Michael Feliz
This gives HOU an ace and a veteran who can provide leadership and is an upgrade over Valbuena. The marlins gets a future potential ace in Martes, a hard thrower in Feliz whose stuff might translate better in the NL. They also get AJ Reed to bat behind Stanton. Combined they can hit 80 homeruns.
What do you guys think?
1.) 26 Apr 2016 19:31:07
Way too little for Fernandez! That would barely net Julio Teheran. The trade for Fisher could be pretty close, Bregman is similar upside to Swanson so this could be the start of things in that trade but no way that the Rays try to move him for at least a couple of months.
They still have several years left of Archer, so unless they decide they don't have a shot in the next couple of years and they decide that they have to be in total rebuild mode. I don't see them doing this anytime soon since they have some good pieces in place for a strong team.
2.) 26 Apr 2016 20:40:56
Nice try, Astros fan.
You'd have to empty every one of your top 3 prospects PLUS someone like Carlos Correa just to land Jose Fernandez.
Marlins won't move him unless the price is ridiculously good for them.
3.) 27 Apr 2016 13:13:32
I agree that Bregman has no place in this Loaded organization, unless they want to move him to catcher or an outfield spot he has no place behind Altuve and Correa who are both under 25 so he should be traded for a key piece (s) that wI'll help them win now even more. But they shouldn't waist their time with this package, they should try to trade Bregman for a catcher or a pitcher (either starter or reliver) and I think they should try to get a guy likenMccann, nothing against Castro but he is best suited for a backup role I think. Or a starter like Tyson Ross who (once healthy) can slide into the #2 hole behind Dallas and then once Lance comes back they would have a rotation of Dallas Tyson Lance Fister Micugh which is young and good. Or trade for a pen arm like Miller (they could make a package for McCann and Miller headlined by Bregman) to help bolster their pen.
That's what I think they should do!
What do you guys think?
4.) 27 Apr 2016 15:38:57
You must not be spending a great deal of time thinking of trades. Nothing you post is remotely logical or good.
5.) 27 Apr 2016 19:12:44
Well, he's being benefitted by Crazysull commenting on his stuff. It's like the race for last place here, except unlike baseball, there's no incentive to winning it.
14 Jul 2017 22:58:14
I think it's enough, but for some reason I can't see Oakland being very interested in Schwarber.
13 Jul 2017 21:43:32
I think it's a good idea for both teams, although I think Miami needs more pitching. Possibly Riley Pint or Jeff Hoffman. And if we're them I'd get David Dahl too to replace Ozuna and Yelich who is also likely to be moved.
05 Jul 2017 17:14:46
The Sonny Gray trade is not nearly enough. It would take either Alex Verdugo or Walker Buehler to even get those negotiations started.
And I don't see the cubs including Baez in any trade. It would more likely be Happ, Eloy Jimenez and then a pitcher like Oscar De la Cruz.
27 Jun 2017 16:26:13
No way they trade any of these for Neil Walker.
04 Jun 2017 13:57:54
So you have them buying AND selling?
If thu trade for Cole, it will cost them Clint Frazier, Jorge Mateo and then two more prospects, let's say Miguel Andujar and Domingo Acevedo.
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