24 Nov 2017 16:47:31
Giants and yankees

Yankees get: P Madison Bumgarner,
2B Joe Panik, SS Christian Arroyo

Giants get: SS Didi Gregorius, 2B Starlin Castr, OF Estevan Florial
3B Miguel Andujar, P Jorge Guzman

Giants then can flip a trade with miami.

Giants get: Giancarlo Stanton and Justin Nicolino

Miami gets:3B Miguel Andujar, P Jorge Guzman, OF Estevan Florial, P Tyler Beede, !b Chris Shaw, and
P Garrett Williams

1.) 24 Nov 2017
24 Nov 2017 18:10:06
Why would SF trade MadBum if they are getting Giancarlo to try and compete?

2.) 24 Nov 2017
24 Nov 2017 19:07:50
They can sign a free agent like Alex Cobb and/ or
Arietta. Loose one good pitcher but thy can pick up
Good ones.

3.) 25 Nov 2017
25 Nov 2017 07:33:49
This is the worst trade idea I think I've ever seen on this site.

Bumgarner, alone, would net the Yankees top 3 prospects, plus probably 1-2 significant MLB pieces (think Sanchez, Judge, Severino) .

Adding in Panik and Arroyo (#56 on MLB. com's prospect list) would net at least 1-2 more top prospects.

So, let's start it with: Torres, Adams, Florial, Justus, Andujar, Luis Severino, and Gary Sanchez.

You might think that sounds overkill, and it most certainly is. The Giants won't demand anything less for Bumgarner, and rightly so.

4.) 25 Nov 2017
25 Nov 2017 16:06:38
Stat-how ya been? WHY would the Yanks (1 game away from WS) trade Silver Sluggers Sanchez or Judge? If you look closely at stats- Severino, while pitching career at Yankee Stadium, has comparable numbers to MadBum (Bum's home #'s better than road-Seve's better on road-Yankee Stadium much tougher to pitch in) . How would Bum's number translate at Yankee Stadium? VERY comparable to Seve's. Not saying MadBum is not better- just not that much. Seve almost 5 years younger and cheaper with LOTS less wear on arm. Is Bum even 100% healthy? Why include Seve in trade? Wouldn't trade Judge or Sanchez straight up for MadBum. If you were to trade Torres, Adams, Florial, Justus, Andujar, Severino and Sanchez in smaller packages-you would get more than 1 super pitcher. Just makes no sense.

Tundra-have to say I really enjoy your posts. Funniest thing on 'net. Wait- if you are serious-then saddest thing on 'net.

Please, for future posts, Yanks are not taking on big salary or trading key piece from team. They will try to tweak. Probably Otani or dumping salary (Headley, Ellsbury. ) Also lefty RP. That's it!

5.) 25 Nov 2017
25 Nov 2017 20:34:56
For Bumgarner—alone—the Giants would demand at least one, perhaps two, young MLB studs. I simply stated those guys, because that's the end of what the Yankees have in that department. Then, they'll demand Torres and probably 1 other top prospect.

Think the Chris Sale trade, plus a few additional pieces simply because of what he's done in the postseason.

Adding in Panik (who is an upgrade, both in talent and contract, over Castro) and a top 60 prospect, they'll then demand a good return as well.

None of this suggests the Yankees would accept such a trade, at any capacity, but more or less what the Giants would rightfully ask for.

6.) 26 Nov 2017
25 Nov 2017 23:36:27
Stat-would you take Frazier/ Hicks, Betances, Andujar and Acevedo for MadBum?

7.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 13:27:00
Not a chance. Torres HAS to be included. Again, think the Sale trade and add.

8.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 16:03:12
Stat-you can't keep using the Sale trade as a baseline. Dombrowski has always overpaid with minor leaguers in his trades. Also, when Moncada was included it only cost money. The Bosox didn't use a high draft pick or valuable trade chip to acquire him. By trading Torres Yanks have nothing to show for his acquisition. Again, I see Shelby Miller/ Swanson nightmare with MadBum trade. Don't think MadBum's numbers going forward at Yankee Stadium would be spectacular. Solid-but definitely not worth Torres. Again- you are way off. I offered 4-time All-Star in Betances, plus excellent SP potential in Acevedo, #4 rated 3B prospect in Andujar and Frazier/ Hicks choice. WAY too much-and you still wanted more. Two years of MadBum coming off shoulder injury-No one will pay your price. Would like to see if others agrre with me, or you. Just curious.

9.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 20:31:40
Betances has little to no trade value right now. He's 30 and his arbitration costs are sky-rocketing, and his projected arbitration costs don't match his recent performance. They have a better 3B prospect in Arroyo, so Andujar makes no sense (especially in the original idea above) and Frazier is good, but he'd likely be just one of many pieces, and certainly not the best.

Trust me, if the Yankees offered your package, it wouldn't even be considered. They'll want a trade to match the Sale package. Whether you think it's fair (you're completely over-valuing your Yankees players) is irrelevant. The Giants value a few things in Bumgarner:

1. He's a top 15 pitcher in the game.
2. He's young.
3. His post-season resume is second to none in the game right now.
4. He is a fan favorite.

If the Giants trade him for that sorry excuse of a package, fans in San Francisco will burn AT&T Park to the ground. He's not going anywhere, anyway.

10.) 27 Nov 2017
27 Nov 2017 02:13:43
**** are you serious bro? lol I'm a give it an agree anyway.

11.) 27 Nov 2017
27 Nov 2017 03:44:14
Stat-you are so wrong. Betances will be 30 and MadBum 29 next year. He made 3.0 mil this year and made his 4th consecutive All-Star game. Not skyrocketing cost and great value. Arroyo has only played 48 games at 3B and is ranked #3 while Andujar is #4. Negligible. Andujar would allow SF to move Crawford and slide Arroyo back to his original position saving money (smart business. ) Let's talk about recent performance-MadBum had bad shoulder and only started 17 games. His numbers were also his worst in 5 years. Agree that SF will never trade him-but don't call package"sorry. " Value is there-4 time All-Star plus 3 Top 100 prospects for pitcher would questionable shoulder.

12.) 27 Nov 2017
27 Nov 2017 04:15:50
While we're at it, let's just trade Mike Trout to the Yankees and find a way to not give a single top player? Sounds pretty convenient, doesn't it?

Quite frankly, if you think the Yankees could land a pitcher like Bumgarner and the package doesn't start with Torres, you're insane.

He'd be the number one trade candidate on the market if he put there (the Giants aren't trading him), and if the Yankees didn't put Torres out there, they'd be beat by literally 28 other teams. The Yankees aren't getting someone like Bumgarner without giving up their absolute best guys.

13.) 27 Nov 2017
27 Nov 2017 04:25:24
I also laugh that you compared him to the Shelby Miller trade, yet you still think the Yankees should give away anyone of value for him.

If he's Shelby Miller, your response would have been: "no, don't trade for Bumgarner. He's toast. " You don't give up a return of even Frazier, Andujar, Betances, etc. for a Shelby Miller (who very well may be non-tendered this winter, btw) . You run for the freaking hills.

This wasn't the case. We all know you'd be shouting how much of a bargain this would be and how his shoulder is just fine if the Yankees landed him. Which is why this is all dumb to begin with: it has nothing to do with the negatives regarding Madison Bumgarner. It's that you want the Yankees to acquire a top 15 pitcher and not be hurt in the long run. Plain and simple it won't happen.

Again, a package for him from New York would require Gleyber Torres and likely one significant, controllable MLB piece, as well as other top-level talent. I bet you anything Gleyber Torres is the asking price for even worse starters, say Sean Manaea or even relievers like Brad Hand or Raisel Iglesias. The Yankees have to seriously consider dealing him if they want a significant arm via trade.

14.) 28 Nov 2017
27 Nov 2017 23:44:36
Madbum to the Yankees DOES require Torres. But a package of "Torres, Adams, Florial, Justus, Andujar, Luis Severino, and Gary Sanchez"? That's hilarious with Panik or not. He's coming off a significant injury and at this point in his career, he just isn't as good as Sale. Is Madbum top 15? Yes, but Sale is top 5. You still get the #1 prospect, but you don't get a top 20 as the second piece (Kopech) like the White Sox did. Madbum is on a good contract too, but again, not as good as Sale's. The Giants would undoubtedly use Sale's deal as a comparison to determine his value, he just wouldn't get as much.

I think the trade would look like: Torres, Acevedo, Dillon Tate, Dermis Garcia

With that being said, SF wouldn't trade MadBum coming off an injury, nor do they have any inclination to do so given the direction the front office is taking the team. I think they land Giancarlo and try to contend.

The #1 prospect in baseball for Sean Manaea or Raisel Iglesias? hahahaha. That's not how these things work.

15.) 28 Nov 2017
28 Nov 2017 00:38:04
Just watch. The Athletics will get a massive return for Manaea, should they try and trade him. He's cost-controlled, young, and very good.

Also, I said it's the asking price, not the actual price. Meaning, teams with those kind of pitchers are only going to move them if they get significant returns back. That's how this works. Teams don't just trade guys for any package, unless they are trying to move salary (i. e. Stanton) .

The Giants would demand a top 5 prospect and a young, premium MLB player for Bumgarner. This isn't to say that's what they'd get, but you would never land Bumgarner if you don't offer up that package.

16.) 28 Nov 2017
28 Nov 2017 00:52:03
The Mariners gave up Tyler O'Neill for Marco Gonzales, because Gonzales is controlled for at least 6 more seasons. And yes, DiPoto values young pitching perhaps more than anyone, but teams overpay for young, controllable pitching all the time.

The Marlins gave up Luis Castillo (perhaps one of the most underrated young pitchers in baseball) for Dan Straily. The Diamondbacks gave up a comical return for Shelby Miller. The Giants gave up a huge return for Matt Moore. Or the Dodgers with Andrew Heaney, the Angels with Tyler Skaggs, the list goes on and on.

Except maybe Dan Staily, none of those pitchers have been good. And yet teams gave up big returns for them, all because those players were controllable arms. They are the hottest commodity. Again, I'd bet you almost anything that the Athletics demand something along the lines of Gleyber Torres for someone with 4 more years of team control.

17.) 28 Nov 2017
28 Nov 2017 14:47:57
Gleyber Torres is the #1 prospect in baseball.

18.) 28 Nov 2017
28 Nov 2017 16:27:21
I’m aware of that. The Padres asked for Torres for Brad Hand. Teams understand the value of controllable pitching and they don’t give it up for cheap.

Again, none of this is to say that the Yankees would trade Torres for any of those guys, but at the same time, I think it’ll be hard to get someone like Manaea for much less. Especially with other teams having a track record of paying steep prices for it.

19.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 03:01:12
I mean the Rick Hahn probably asked for Torres in exchange for Drob and Kahnle but then he and Cashman quickly worked to a more reasonable return in Rutherford+. SD can ask for the #1 prospect in baseball (or something similar) for Brad Hand all they want, but until they don't, he'll still be a Padre.

20.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 04:26:16
I bet you they get a stronger return for Brad Hand than they got for Craig Kimbrel. And I wouldn't be one bit shocked if a top 10 prospect goes to San Diego for Hand.

The demand for controllable pitching is stronger than ever, and as I've proven above, teams are giving up absurd packages for it. If you think you can get good pitching for cheap, plain and simple, you're wrong. Guys like Bumgarner will require one of the largest returns we'll have seen in the past 10 years. Guys like Manaea/ Iglesias/ Hand will garner returns of multiple top prospects.

It's the most demanded commodity in the game, and teams with controllable arms rule the roost. They don't even have to be great, they just have to be cheap.

21.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 16:30:13
So by the logic of your Bumgarner trade, The White Sox should have gotten Moncada, Kopech, JBJ and Devers for Sale? Don't tell me you think MadBum gets more than Sale. You're right, controllable pitching is crazy valuable, but I think Sale is the best combination of long/ cheap contract and being really, really good for trades like this. I think it's reasonable to look at his deal and then work backwards in terms of return.

22.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 20:59:28
There's a couple factors that you have to look at:

1. The Giants would be giving up a fan favorite. Sale was obviously popular in Chicago, but White Sox fans have been rather apathetic for several years now. And the White Sox had more incentive to move Sale. It was a much easier trade for Chicago to make at the time.

I'd say more than probably any team in baseball, the Giants see their team as a business first. Having fan favorites sells merchandise. It puts butts in seats. They have an almost cult-like following in the Bay Area. Moving Bumgarner would anger a lot of fans and it'd surely hurt the bottom line. For it to benefit the Giants, they'd need a return of significant proportions. A return, quite frankly, no team would reasonably give up (is Dave Stewart still able to make trades? ) .

2. Buy it or not, the Giants, as well as other teams, value Bumgarner's postseason pedigree. That doesn't come cheap. Teams know what he's capable of doing in the playoffs, as do the Giants. You have to consider that to his name when trading for him.

Again, I don't think anyone pays the price the Giants would want for Bumgarner. But they won't move him for anything short of the return Chris Sale got (they'd honestly want more) . I think we actually see them extend him to make sure he's in a Giants uniform for the rest of his career. This is why I've never entertained the idea until this post was made. The Giants, who are the most "what have you done for us lately" team in all of professional sports won't trade one of their most beloved players.