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20 Dec 2016 16:41:05
Probably won't happen. What do you think.

Mets get B Gardner
Yanks get Granderson.

Mets get Gardner for 3 years @ reasonable price to play CF.

Yanks get Grandy lefty power for 1 year and move Frazier into LF in '18.

Money is similar 15- 12.5 mil.



1.) 20 Dec 2016 18:06:16
Pointless, Yankees are trying to cut payroll down by trading Gardner. This is counterproductive in those efforts. Also Gardner only has 2 years left on his contract.

2.) 20 Dec 2016 18:37:24
Batman-Gardner has club option in year 3. (12.5/ yr) As for patroll, Yanks don't expect to be under cap in '17. But they will in '18 when Grandy would be off books. That's why Holliday was so attractive-1 year commitment-like Grandy. That said- I don't expect this to happen.

3.) 20 Dec 2016 21:55:51
"I don't expect this to happen" you said it so obviously you did, and do.

4.) 21 Dec 2016 03:39:45
Your first three words say it all.




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11 Jun 2017 01:21:26
I was just looking back at some old posts. Chisox actually proposed atrade in which the Yankees trade
Frazier-Torres-Andujar-Kaprelian-Headley-Gardner-Fowler--Rutherford and Chad Green and receive Quintana-McCutcheon and DRob
Not only does it include 4 Top 100 prospects but it also includes 2 starters. They give up their starting 3B and top 3B prospect and don't get one back.
So, if anyone sees him post-don't waste your time. He is just another delusional White Sox fan.


1.) 21 Jun 2017 13:20:08
^^^This guy uses two months of data to support his claims. He also doesn't understand the stats he throws out.

Please also ignore him.




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21 Jun 2017 02:42:57
Stat-just checked on Hamels trade in '14. You stated that Hamels and Q had similar numbers. The Rangers gave up prospect #30 and prospect #83 plus other marginal prospects. As you can see by my earlier post that Q was worth Top 50 and Top #100 prospects plus marginal prospects with upside. That is exactly what Phils got for Hamels. So essentially you agree with my evaluation. My only problem is when Drake overvalues Q and wanted Pirates, Astros or Yanks 3 prospects in Top 50-at least. Again, just calling out Drake with his ridiculous trade posts.




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21 Jun 2017 02:27:32
Stat-maybe you don't understand WAR. Quintana has consistently made all of his starts. That means he can accumulate more=higher WAR. Players are going to pass Trout in WAR because he is hurt. Again, he averages 4.1 WAR/ season-which is good but not All-star level. If you could check on where he ranks each year you would see he never is in Top 10 for year. By staying healthy he has ACCUMULATED WAR to place high on your list. All I'm trying to say is that Q is a good solid #2 or #3 pitcher who stays healthy. there is a lot of value in that. But when delusional posters like Drake try to pass him off as an ace and thinks that the Sox can get a ridiculous pkg for him, I just state my opinion. When others agree with me, he gets insulted and tries bringing in Sabrmetrics that just reinforce my view. NEVER an elite pitcher. I do not see where he is "special. " If you see something to the contrary-I would love to see it.




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20 Jun 2017 19:12:41
statbook- isn't it funny that you rip me for using ERA as a stat to measure pitching when the only stat that Quintana is top 10 in last 5 years is ERA. Again what stat has Quintana excelled in the last five years. Educate me-why is Quintana a #1 pitcher-an ace? Based on what. Can't wait to see your delusional response. What team do you follow? PLEASE reply.




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20 Jun 2017 18:49:26
Drake-again you don't get it. Aside from WAR and IP which us directly attributed to his ability to stay healthy and make his starts, which is great, he still a middle of the rotation starter (2 or 3.) Where does he excel? Forget all your crazy stats-here's 1 you can't argue with-prior to '17-which has been horrible-his average WAR is 4.1. According to baseballreference a 5.0 is an Allstar. This mean that he is a #2 or #3 starter. This is what marinermark and I are trying to get across to you. He is a #2 pitcher who is pitching like a #4 pitcher this year. That's why mariner posted"middle of the rotation starter. " If you can't see this, you will constantly be regarded as a delusional White Sox "homer. " No way they get 2 Top 50 prospects. In all fairness, taking in consideration his favorable contract along with his steady healthy stability, he is worth 1 Top 50, borderline Top 100 and flyer on a low minor leaguer with upside. That is more than fair. Curious to see if marinermark (or others) agree.




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20 Jun 2017 00:49:15
Time to show how full of rubbish you are, Drake. You state that "2 or 3 starts where he got knocked around. " In April he had 5 starts with an ERA of 5.22. In May he had 6 starts with an ERA of 5.91. That's 11 starts with an ERA of over 5.5 As for your ridiculous list of struggling pitchers- Verlander is former ROY, CY Young and MVP winner who still has lower ERA than Q by half a run. Cueto is Series champ, 2x All-star (Q has 1) AND still has ERA lower by half run. Harvey had major surgery-wow Q is better than him! Every other pitcher listed has better ERA than Q. Cole, Estrada more than half run and Teheran quarter run. Remember Q has 1 All-star appearance. Never pitcher of the week, or month, or Cy Young or anything. Everyone listed has at least 1 of those Awards. So again, Q is 6 yr pitcher with 1 All-star and NOTHING else. I guess when you are second class citizens in town and perennially in last place you have time to dream about visions of grandeur. BTW-you were trying to peddle this same bullshit over the winter and he's STILL a Chisox. OVERRATED BETTER THAN AVERAGE PITCHER THAT"S IT! Have fun watching his value drop and drop!





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