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30 Jul 2021 04:33:18
Official:
Dodgers: Trea Turner, Max Scherzer
Nationals: Josiah Gray P (55FV), Keibert Ruiz C (50FV), Gerardo Carrillo P (40+), Donovan Casey OF
Crazy blockbuster.
30 Jul 2021 04:30:38
Official:
Yankees: Anthony Rizzo
Cubs: Kevin Alcantara OF (50FV), Alexander Vizcaino (45+)
2 months of Rizzo lands a 50 and 45+.
1.) 30 Jul 2021 06:38:00
LOL. 2 months of the Cubs paying all of Rizzo's salary is what got the Cubs that return. Teams know the Yankees don't want to go over the luxury tax, so they are making them pay through prospect depth.
It's a good strategy if you can find the right team.
28 Jul 2021 17:29:09
Official:
Athletics: Starling Marte
Marlins: Jesus Luzardo
Wow.
1.) 28 Jul 2021 17:51:57
The Athletics are getting Starling Marte for nothing more than the league minimum, as they are Andrew Chafin.
They've made two trades for players and got the other team to cover almost all of the cost. That's going to add a hefty price.
Also, Luzardo looks awful. Really, really bad. Even in AAA. I'm not sure this is the "overpay" people think it is.
2.) 28 Jul 2021 18:12:03
They traded a 23 year old former top prospect with team control until 2027 for 2 months of Starling Marte.
3.) 28 Jul 2021 21:49:50
Yes. Once again, context matters.
1. Marte is literally free for them. They don't have to pay him more than a pro-rated minimum (legally) . For a team in as much dire straits as the A's, this is optimal. Marte has been worth over 3 wins to date, and the A's get a top-of-the-order bat and solid defender, for literally nothing.
That's going to cost them.
2. Luzardo literally has an ERA over 6 in both the majors and AAA. Even his 2020 numbers fail to live up to the 60-grade he was *briefly* given. Many scouts never bought the hype.
It's quite evident that the Athletics, who knew everything about Jesus Luzardo as a ballplayer, did not believe Luzardo was going to the 60 FV Luzardo, and had no qualms trading him away for Marte.
3. Zero teams care about some randomly selected outlet's prospect rankings. They don't. They don't care that Luzardo was once a top prospect. He has done very little for them except be injured and serve up runs galore.
Luzardo is, in my honest opinion, completely toast. We've seen the best we'll ever see out of him.
4.) 28 Jul 2021 22:18:00
"Zero teams care about some randomly selected outlet's prospect rankings. "
Ahhh how the turn tables.
5.) 28 Jul 2021 22:29:58
alright yeah this dude is smokin the loud pack. Goodluck ChiTown lol.
6.) 28 Jul 2021 22:38:56
LOL. Just so we're clear, it's not as if an outlet like, say, Fangraphs, aren't somewhat reflective of how a team feels about players. Obviously, every team and rankings outlet is going to rate someone like, say, Wander Franco about the same.
But the Athletics and Marlins likely don't care, at all, that in 2020, Fangraphs had Luzardo as a top prospect.
Teams trading with the Phillies, for example, don't care that Mickey Moniak, who is very bad at professional baseball, was the #1 overall pick.
They aren't looking at Fangraphs lists when making trades. They aren't giving consideration to Eric Longenhagen or Kiley McDaniel's "future value grades". It's a litmus for our evaluations.
But criticizing the Athletics, who know Luzardo quite well, for giving him up for a rental is like criticizing a home owner who is ditching his mold-infested house because it has good curb appeal.
Luzardo's prospect ranking made for great curb appeal, but he's not a very good pitcher in reality. Like, at all.
7.) 29 Jul 2021 00:22:49
I'm uniting delusional White Sox fans AND delusional Cubs fans.
If nothing, I've accomplished more on this site than either of you have in your entire life. You're welcome.
27 Jul 2021 16:43:12
Pirates/ Phillies
Phillies: Richard Rodriguez
Pirates: Rafael Marchan C (45FV), Yhoswar Garcia OF (40+FV)
1.) 27 Jul 2021 17:36:10
This is a pretty fair deal.
2.) 27 Jul 2021 18:04:02
Reports have said there is some traction there. Not sure I’d want to target Rich Rod since they cracked down on the sticky stuff but if he can turn it around he would be a good option for Philly.
3.) 27 Jul 2021 18:10:05
Now, explain this:
Rodriguez, who is controlled through 2023, and is currently making less than 2M, he doesn't a 50 FV prospect, but Craig Kimbrel, who is a rental, at the best, or a 16M reliever in 2022 at worst, HE'S too good for a 45 FV prospect?
You understand that Rodriguez is likely to net a significantly greater return than Kimbrel, right?
If this is what you think Rodriguez gets (I agree with you), then it's highly unlikely Kimbrel even nets a fringy 45-FV prospect at all.
Can you at least try to be consistent?
4.) 27 Jul 2021 22:25:49
Kimbrel is also significantly better and a proven closer. I am consistent and we will see what unfolds in these next couple days but I doubt Rich Rod nets a greater return.
5.) 27 Jul 2021 22:28:52
Also, what’s up with you? Do you try to be condescending on every message you send for fun?
No wonder you and that ChiTown dude have beef lol I couldn’t imagine you having a civilized conversation with someone.
I’ve been back on this site for a week and all I’ve seen is your negativity and condescending attitude. No wonder this site is dead.
6.) 28 Jul 2021 01:00:51
Kimbrel's xFIP is 2.75 runs better that Rodriguez. As long as he's pitching like this, $16 million for next year as as much of a burden as you think.
7.) 28 Jul 2021 02:26:47
The question is: will he? The two seasons prior he was putrid, and there are multiple bits on his stat line that point to some pretty obvious regression.
I'm not saying Craig Kimbrel isn't valuable. But at 16M next year, he HAS to be every bit as good, and that's certainly not a sure bet.
Rodriguez's contract situation makes the dude pretty valuable.
8.) 28 Jul 2021 02:59:08
If the $16 million is that detrimental, then just buy him out. For a team going all in to win a championship this year, Kimbrel is leaps and bounds better that Rich Rod, and I actually really like the latter. Kimbrel is a top- five reliever in baseball.
9.) 22 Sep 2021 20:35:57
"Top 5 reliever in baseball"
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
27 Jul 2021 16:36:37
Mariners/ Nationals
Mariners: Trea Turner
Nationals: Noelvi Marte SS (50FV), George Kirby P (50FV), Juan Then P (45FV), Milkar Perez 3B (40FV)
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30 Jul 2021 20:26:03
Nate you were spot on for KB. Giants with an absolute steal. Cubs made out really solid on Kimbrel, Rizzo, Baez but the return for KB was subpar. I was wrong about that one.
1.) 31 Jul 2021 03:24:45
I was wrong about Kimbrel, for what it's worth. Someone DID offer a huge return for him.
I'd be very curious to know what other teams offered for him, and if anyone offered anywhere close to Hahn's offer.
2.) 01 Aug 2021 13:59:08
Pepiot and Miller from the Dodgers was reported by multiple “insiders†as being discussed. Whether that’s what the Cubs wanted or what was actually on the table is anyone’s guess.
31 Jul 2021 07:38:04
He definitely lost the KB leverage. Kimbrel was always the prize of the deadline for them and it showed. Overall solid day but agreed Jed waited too long on KB or should have tried to pair someone like Davies with him. Pairing Javy with Trevor Williams to land a prospect like Pete Crow Armstrong was a great move.
31 Jul 2021 01:58:05
For some reason this posted in the other chat. but I sent this out earlier.
“ Nate you were spot on for KB. Giants with an absolute steal. Cubs made out really solid on Kimbrel, Rizzo, Baez but the return for KB was subpar. I was wrong about that one. â€
With that being said you were very off on Kimbrel and you were adamant that Rich Rod would get a better return. Sometimes you hit sometimes you don’t. I’m just glad they got a P with some upside over Dubon lol.
30 Jul 2021 19:46:36
The demand for RP was high and Kimbrel’s value again like stated before is at an all time high. Someone was going to pay the price it was just a matter of who would be the highest bidder. Sox won the bid and Cubs made out great.
30 Jul 2021 19:43:42
:) great return for the Cubs.
28 Jul 2021 22:29:58
alright yeah this dude is smokin the loud pack. Goodluck ChiTown lol.
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