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29 Dec 2020 14:03:14
Yankees Offseason

Trades

Indians get Aaron Hicks, Luke Voit, Kyle Higashioka, Mike Tauchman, Luis Medina, and Oswaldo Perez

Yankees get Francisco Lindor and Carlos Carrasco


Reds get Clarke Schmidt, Estevan Florial, Albert Abreu, and Luis Gil

Yankees get Luis Castillo


Brewers get Miguel Andujar, Alexander Vizciano, Everson Pereira, and Kevin Alcantara

Yankees get Josh Hader


Free Agency

Resign D.J. LeMahieu for 4 years and $88 million

Sign Michael Brantley for 2 years and $36 million

Sign Yadier Molina for 1 year and $6 million

Sign Brad Hand for 3 years and $27 million

Sign Joc Pederson for 2 years and $16 million


Roster

Lineup

1B LeMahieu
RF Judge
SS Lindor
DH Stanton
C Sanchez
LF Brantley
2B Torres
CF Frazier
3B Urshela

Bench

C Molina
1B Ford
IF Wade
OF Pederson

Rotation

Cole
Castillo
Severino
Carrasco
Montgomery

Bullpen

German (Swingman)
Loaisiga (Swingman)
Green (Middle Reliever)
Ottavino (Middle Reliever)
Hader (Fireman)
Britton (7th Inning Setup Man)
Hand (8th Inning Setup Man)
Chapman (Closer)

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29 Dec 2020 17:17:07
Com'on enough with the spankee delusional crap. Imagine being the Cleveland GM explaining this ONE sided deal. This is a JOKE and the Tribe would never do this.

17 Dec 2020 13:18:34
Mets should sign:
Springer
DJ Lemahieu
Liam Hendricks
Odorizzi
Kluber
Kiki Hernandez

Lineup
3b - DJ
2b - McNeil
CF - Springer
RF - Conforto
DH - Alonso
1b - D. Smith
C - McCann
SS - Gimenez / Rosario
LF - Nimmo

Bench -
Kiki (all 7 positions)
JD (3b / lf)
Nido (C)
Rosario and Guillorme (3b, ss, 2b)

Starter
deGrom, Stroman, Kluber, Odorizzi, Peterson, Thor (in June), Matz

Pen
Hendricks
Diaz
Lugo
May
Betances
Brach
Familia
Castro

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14 Dec 2020 21:25:11
Here another 3 team block buster for you all Between the braves , Rays and Cubs

Rays would get

C Wilson Contreras
Braves prospect
13 LP Kyle Muller
5 LP Tucker Davidson
14 of Micheal Harris
24 of Greyson Jenista

Cubs would get
3b Austin Riley
Cf Ender Incaite
Rp Luke Jackson
Braves prospects
14 RP Patrick Weigel
23 C Alex Jackson
Rays prospect
26 SS/2b Lucius Fox

Braves get
LP Blake Snell
3B Kris Bryant
Of Austin Meadows
Rp Craig Kimbrel ( braves agree agree to pay all of Kimbrel contract)

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15 Dec 2020 18:01:40
Just your average 18+ player trade that happens everyday!

14 Dec 2020 16:16:09
Yankees Offseason

Trades

Cleveland gets Aaron Hicks, Miguel Andujar, Oswaldo Perez, Michael King, and Luis Gil

Yankees get Francisco Lindor and Carlos Carrasco


Brewers get Luke Voit, Estevan Florial, Luis Medina, and Albert Abreu

Yankees get Josh Hader


Free Agency

Resign D.J. LeMahieu for 4 years and $88 million

Sign Michael Brantley for 2 years and $36 million

Sign Corey Kluber for 1 year and $8 million

Sign Brad Hand for 2 years and $14 million


Roster (Full Strength)

Lineup

1B LeMahieu
RF Judge
SS Lindor
DH Stanton
C Sanchez
LF Brantley
2B Torres
CF Frazier
3B Urshela

Bench

C Higashioka
IF Wade
OF Tauchman
1B Ford

Rotation

Cole
Kluber
Severino
Carrasco
Montgomery

Bullpen

German (Swingman)
Loaisiga (Swingman)
Green (Middle Reliever)
Ottavino (Middle Reliever)
Hader (Middle Reliever)
Britton (7th Inning Setup Man)
Hand (8th Inning Setup Man)
Chapman (Closer)

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14 Dec 2020 17:22:57
So, before the Yankees even pay a single player not on a fixed or arbitration salary, that puts the payroll at $242M.

You're talking well over 250M in payroll after everything else adds in. With CBT penalties, that's 267M PLUS a drop in 10 spots in their first pick of the draft, which puts essentially forfeits a first round draft pick in 2022.

It's a very safe bet that this won't happen.

14 Dec 2020 17:28:48
And for what it's worth, there's not a chance in the world the Yankees get Lindor AND Carrasco for that price. I'm not even sure they get Lindor for it.

Hicks is owed 52M over the next 5 years. Cleveland is not giving up Lindor for a potentially terrible contract.

The Yankees aren't getting elite talent by giving up their sloppy seconds. Cleveland's front office would run circles around Cashman intellectually, and wouldn't even think about these proposals for longer than it takes to read them.

In the words of an old Peter, Paul, and Mary song: "When will they ever learn? "

14 Dec 2020 18:13:00
Delusional spankee fan! . NO WAY the Tribe would ever do something so ridiculous especially for Lindor and Carrasco. The baseball world does not exist just to bend over for the spankees.

13 Dec 2020 01:28:15
M's made strides in 2020 and have their sights set on making a move for the AL West crown in 2021. The core of young players have promise, but need more veteran leadership. Trader Jerry has said they'll run with primarily the same rotation again this season (maybe add a low cost veteran and continue the six man approach) and will likely just look to improve the bullpen, with their worst in the AL ERA. But the payroll obligations are fantastically low for 2021 and beyond and this presents an opportunity that the M's ownership and management shouldn't pass up.

FA signings
DJ LeMahieu 6/$120M
Frontloaded, paid out $25-24-23-19-16-13

Trevor Bauer 6/$168
Frontloaded, paid out $40-36-30-26-20-16

Kirby Yates 2/$18M
Paid out $9-9

Ryan Tempera 2/$15M
Paid out $8-7

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14 Dec 2020 03:02:58
DJ LaMahieu's length of contract could be four plus a vesting option over five years. He's already 32. but, the DJL Derby winner may pay him as you've stated, an AAV of $ 20 MM

Bauer would be a huge investment. but what if it's only for a single year? . and what if it's for 20 or 30 % higher than what you've written? .

Does that open the door for what Jerry Di. does best. Let's make a deal?!

14 Dec 2020 09:41:08
Are you these players' agent? What drastic overpays for all of them.

If no one is going to claim Brad Hand at 10M a year, they aren't going to pay Kirby Yates —who is objectively worse— 9M.

And the Cubs non-tendered Tepera at his projected 1.5M salary. He's not going to get FIVE TIMES more than that.

And LeMahieu is absolutely not getting 6 years.

14 Dec 2020 14:07:02
@Nate, respectfully, disagree.

-Four plus a vesting option is not six years.

-Bauer was at $ 20+ MM for the 2020 season and is the reigning NL Cy Young winner, has a history of health, and wants a single year deal that would maximize his AAV. The stated AAV ( $ 168/ 6 = $28 MM AAV) at 20 to 30 % higher for a one year deal could be (and probably will be) $ 33.5 MM - $ 36.4 MM. Considering Gerritt Cole has a 9 year deal at $ 36 MM AAV, this is not an overpay.

-I'm not sure what Tepera or Hand has to do with these numbers. Perhaps to show the minimal number of dollars being spent on RP's?

-A 33 year old right handed middle reliever with minimal closing experience

-A 30 year old closer who's lost about four ticks on his FB.

but if it helps the narrative. by all means.

Thoughts? .

14 Dec 2020 15:24:26
What do Brad Hand and Tepera have to do?

For starters, he suggested Ryan Tepera (I'm assuming he misspelled the name) would get 7.5M a year. The Cubs weren't going to tender him a contract at less than 2M a year, so why on earth would ANYONE give him almost 4 times as much?

The Brad Hand argument is simple: Brad Hand is a better reliever, by literally every metric you can use. No one claimed him on waivers at 10M a year. No one.

So, if they aren't claiming Brad Hand at 10M, why would they then take the worse reliever and pay him almost as much?

The elbow issues Yates is dealing with is going to be a legit concern for any team signing him. He's not going to get anywhere close to 9M a year, like at all.

14 Dec 2020 15:33:09
As far as Bauer is concerned, if we're considering him in the same conversation as Gerrit Cole, then I'm not sure we can have a real discussion about him. Cole had two consecutive seasons with a WAR of 6 or higher going into free agency.

Bauer has had one such season, and it requires us to adjust his WAR for a 162 game season. Bauer has a lifetime 3.90 ERA and has thrown south of 4.00 just twice in his career, and again, one of those was in a short season.

Want to guess how things would have gone in a full season? Check out this career split:

1st Half Trevor Bauer: 3.53 ERA, .227 BAA, .295 wOBA
2nd Half Trevor Bauer: 4.43 ERA, .247 BAA, .324 wOBA

His LAST full season was much, much worse:
2019 1st Half: 3.61, .214, .299
2019 2nd Half: 5.89, .256, .343

I have every indication to believe that Trevor Bauer may have benefitted more than almost anyone from having a 60-game season.

But GMs will see this and pay him accordingly.

14 Dec 2020 21:29:08
One year committment versus NINE year committment.

Glossed over.

Un-commented on.

The Bauer single year AAV at $ 36. isn't an overpay. look at historical values of salaries.

15 Dec 2020 13:11:36
Gerrit Cole through age 30: 32.7 WAR, 4 wins per season. That's worth 32M a year.

Trevor Bauer through age 30: 24.2 WAR, 3.4 wins per season. That's worth 27M a year.

In other words, you're overpaying Cole by 4M a year, and Bauer by 9M.

36M is a STEEP overpay for Bauer. And when you consider that Bauer, not once, has sustained his success from one season to the next, it's a really good chance that you'll get bad 4.50 ERA Trevor Bauer next year.

15 Dec 2020 13:12:08
The best projections on Bauer runs him anywhere 3.5-4 wins next year (I feel that's generous, FWIW) .

With the financial uncertainty, we have to lower $/ WAR, probably around 6-6.5M. Let's just take the higher number, for Bauer's sake.

At 4 wins, Bauer would to be worth 26M next year. In order to justify a 36M contract, Bauer needs to be worth 5.5 wins. If the circumstances are worse and it sits at 6M, or lower, he needs to be worth SIX wins in 2021.

Will Bauer get 36M next year? Possibly. There are still owners like Reinsdorf and Moreno in the game. But if you think 36M isn't an overpay, then you're not being reasonable about this.

In no planet is Trevor Bauer worth 36M, even for just one season.

08 Dec 2020 07:45:43
Let's bail some teams out of big contracts.

#1
Blue Jays get: Nolan Arenado, Jon Gray
Rockies get: Randal Grichuk, Alejandro Kirk, Alek Manoah, Trent Thornton.

Saves Rockies $175M (21M in 2021).

#2
Twins get: Sonny Gray
Reds get: Jhoan Duran, Keoni Cavaco, Matt Cantetino

Saves Reds 20M (10.2M in 2021)

#3
Nationals get: Kris Bryant
Cubs get: Joe Ross, Drew Mendoza, Mason Denaburg

Saves Cubs: ~17.1M

#4
Angels get: Yu Darvish
Cubs get: Jordyn Adams, Chris Rodriguez, Taylor Ward

Saves Cubs: 60M (21.5M in 2021)

#5
Marlins get: Francisco Lindor
Indians get: JJ Bleday, Monte Harrison, Jon Berti

Saves Indians: ~18.5M

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08 Dec 2020 17:19:23
No from Indians although Miami is supposed to be a wild card entry for Lindor and certainly would put butts in seats. Two unproven Of's and a Utility INF won't get it done. Believe the Tribe will want at least a ML proven OF with some pop.

08 Dec 2020 17:24:33
As a Jays fan, I would love this. But the price will be much higher to get those two.

08 Dec 2020 17:24:59
Replace Berti the 30 YOA utilty INF with perhaps Jazz Chisholm and it would be getting warmer and a little more acceptable.

08 Dec 2020 18:20:02
The "cash cow" in the Lindor trade would be Bleday, who is a top 25 prospect, 23, and very close to MLB ready.

Frankly, between Berti and Chisholm, if I'm Miami, I'm far more worried about losing Berti. Berti's production is a lot more challenging to produce at the cost (they'll need a 2B regardless) than Chisholm's.

Chisholm-type players haven't exactly had stellar track records transitioning from the minors to the majors. Berti, while 31, is much more of a reliable player. I'd wager he'll produce DOUBLE the wins in the next three (3) seasons than Chisholm will in the next six (6).

But the extra pieces can be discussed as you wish, the point was to get Bleday, who can hit the #### off the ball, to Cleveland.

08 Dec 2020 18:23:20
Minnow, I'm not sure I agree.

Arenado's trade value will be difficult because he's either a rental or an albatross.

It's far less likely, considering the financial state, that Arenado opts out. So a team is probably stuck with contract into his declining years. Obviously, Colorado's FO is among the worst in baseball, so they might give him up for much less, but if they don't like Kirk and Manoah, then I'm not sure they'll have a reasonable view of a trade.

To be fair, I think Toronto may be paying a bit much for Arenado and a year of Jon Gray.

08 Dec 2020 18:31:07
I'm not sure what "proven OF with pop" you think a team will just hand over for a year of Francisco Lindor.

Lindor is spectacular, don't get me wrong, but OF with pop, and ones with years of control, aren't a dime a dozen in the majors. And teams, rightly, loathe giving them up for anything, let alone a rental SS who is coming off a season where there several concerning signs about a decline. These weren't "regression" issues, mind you.

Add in the financial state of the game, who is going to give up a young, MLB OF with 5-6 years of control, plus several prospects, for a SS set to make ~20M next season?

If the Indians can get a JJ Bleday for Lindor, they should accept it almost immediately.

09 Dec 2020 10:24:18
I think it's almost certain that he won't opt out because he won't be getting 35 mil per year anywhere else but I do think the Rockies will want a top prospect in return for those two.

Jays might be a little nervous, they went down this road with Tulowitzki a few years back and he was a bust.

09 Dec 2020 15:31:14
So, if he doesn't opt out, we're talking 6 years, 200M. That's a lot of money that takes him into his age 35 season.

For what it's worth, the trade I have above gives up a 50 FV prospect (Kirk) and a 45+ prospect (Manoah) .

That's over 16 years of team control, plus three years of Grichuk for Arenado and his massive contract. I think the Blue Jays are giving up more than they should for Arenado, but I think it's a necessary move for them if they want to compete in the AL East.

02 Dec 2020 08:45:22
Let me extend an olive branch to Chi Sox, publicly.

We've had some pretty extreme conversations on here. I'll be honest, I enjoy them. I enjoy getting you worked up, and enjoy seeing the wild takes you'll make to justify an opinion, even when it's clear I'm messing with you. But I've also learned a lot from you and genuinely enjoy talking baseball. If I didn't enjoy these convos, I wouldn't engage in them.

However, it seems that we've reached a point in which it has become juvenile, obnoxious, and frankly, ridiculous. I play as much a role in it as you.

We're both passionate about our teams, and it's clear we both have strong opinions. That's perfectly okay. It's baseball. It's a game made for the fans, to be fans.

But we need to both agree, publicly, not to continue the ridiculous behavior here. No more making posts directly, or indirectly calling out the other over a difference of opinion.

No more personal shots or calling out one's character. No more shots below the belt.

Let's agree to disagree on the White Sox and Giants. If we can't do that, then at least agree to leave the other alone.

It's really time we move on, quit being childish, and enjoy baseball.

Agree?

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25 Nov 2020 15:30:15
A potential added change subsequent or concurrent with Francisco Lindor being traded from the Indians...

Indians get: Lourdes Gurriel Jr., Jordan Groshans, and Adam Kloffenstein

Blue Jays get Jose Ramirez and Bradley Zimmer (as a throw in)

Discussion: Solidifies the Blue Jays infield by pushing Vlad Jr to 1B while adding a defensive fourth outfield who's primary spot is CF but can play all three spots.

Indians take a "first step" in solving one third of the worst OF in the major leagues while adding a true 3B to the minor league system (current 3B # 1 prospect, Nolan Jones, is really a 1B) &, of course, Cleveland acquires an arm that hasn't been refined to the degree it could be in the Indians pitching development & training machine.

Thoughts?.

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25 Nov 2020 16:33:44
I can't imagine the Indians are remotely interested in moving Ramirez, and if they were, it would be for a package that is 100% favor.

They'll fleece the team and hamstring their farm system for a decade. That's the only scenario in which I see them moving Jose Ramirez.

25 Nov 2020 19:10:16
Yeah I don't think this is enough for Ramirez.

25 Nov 2020 19:50:29
NOT enough for Ramirez and its a HUGE but. He has a controllable contract and the Indians would not be willing to trade him unless they are made an offer they can't refuse and this ain't that.

25 Nov 2020 20:06:35
Not a chance from the Jays. Lourdes Gurriel Jr. Is on the cusp of being an allstar And Jordan Groshans will be very good player.

26 Nov 2020 02:22:52
Baseball Trade Values numerically defines this deal at: 68.1 to 67.8 (so close that it doesn't matter) So, while JRam is huge. and Gurriel Jr might become. and Groshans is seen as the next. and. and. and. At the end of the day being today, the trade is rated about even.

26 Nov 2020 14:01:14
Wait, you think it'd be the BLUE JAYS that turn that trade down?

Whatever is in the water up north, please keep it there.

27 Nov 2020 17:39:34
Ramirez was second in the MVP Voting and has been the Tribe's most consistent offensive player. Talk about 'being on the cusp'. potential and maybes but Ramirez has produced and proven himself.

28 Nov 2020 22:21:53
When the Jays will truely be ready to win, in about 3 years, Ramirez will be a FA and won't resign with TO. Jays need Outfielders. Guriell is really starting to be a great player. The Jays don't need infielders for the rebuild, they have Groshans and Martin coming up along with Biggio and Bichette.

As much as Ramirez is the best player in the trade, it doesn't help the Jays when they are going to be ready.

Just my opinion.

29 Nov 2020 13:18:23
Have read articles that the Blue Jays are interested in Lindor which would mean an OF addition. Makes more sense than Ramirez and the Jays would add a switch hitter at the top of the line-up---and bigger might keep him off the Yankees roster.

30 Nov 2020 18:40:17
Minnow, it probably doesn't make sense for the Blue Jays to give up that return for Ramirez (although a Gurriel + Groshans return would be close to what they'd need for Lindor, in my opinion) .

But I don't think it's a remotely fair deal for the Indians to give up for a 28-year-old infielder who has been worth 20.5 wins (2020-adjusted) over the past 3 seasons. That's a value of 160M, while he was only paid 14M in that span.

Even if he destroys every ligament in his body and never plays again, and the Indians accidentally exercise his '22 and '23 options, he still provided over 110M in value.

Over the next 3 seasons, even with all of his options exercised, Ramirez is owed 35M. He only has to put up 4.4 WAR, combined in 3 seasons, or about 1.5 each season to be "worth" that contract. If he puts up only 3 WAR/ season (which would be his worst production since 2015), he's still worth 37M, which is more valuable than Gurriel, just on his own.

Ramirez's value is insane. And I don't think you even want to consider what type of deal it would take to pry him from Cleveland's cold, dead (but abjectly poor) hands.

30 Nov 2020 20:04:41
Groshans is listed as a shortstop but on the Blue Jays prospect ratings claim that he's better suited as a 3B. Have read the Tribe is interested in OF Gurriel but that would have to include more in that deal and Groshans doesn't seem to be a shortstop in MLB so if the Indians want a ss he won't be in any deal. They believe they have a ss in the near future so the Jays would have to change if they want Frankie.

 


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