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26 Dec 2019 23:16:16
Let's trade the big name players!

Atlanta gets: Kris Bryant
Chicago gets: Kyle Wright, Greyson Jenista, Bryse Wilson

Cincinnati gets: Mookie Betts
Boston gets: Jesse Winker, Nick Lodolo, Tucker Barnhart, Jose Garcia

LA Dodgers get: Francisco Lindor
Cleveland gets: Dustin May, Keibert Ruiz, Mitchell White, Devin Mann

Houston gets: Mike Clevinger
Cleveland gets: Kyle Tucker, Tyler Ivey, Grae Kessinger

LA Angels get: Matthew Boyd
Detroit gets: Brandon Marsh, Chris Rodriguez, Luis Madero

St. Louis gets: David Price, Bryan Mata, Roniel Raudes
Boston gets: Dexter Fowler, Ramon Urias, Trejyn Fletcher.


1.) 27 Dec 2019 15:47:08
No way Tribe makes that deal.

2.) 27 Dec 2019 17:23:43
For which trade?

3.) 27 Dec 2019 17:24:58
That Kris Bryant trade is not very good. Cubs will want more. And Bloom said he won't add top prospects to move David Price. He certainly wouldn't do so if he also has to take on Dexter Fowler's contract.

4.) 27 Dec 2019 20:27:37
Houston has been extremely reluctant to trade Tucker. Is Clevinger the type of pitcher than changes this? Maybe, but they are probably also losing Springer next offseason, so they might trust their in-house options along with a couple of low risk, short term signings/ trades given their prior successful reclamations.



25 Nov 2019 13:50:54
Hey everyone! First time on this site. I thought I'd share some trade ideas:

Cardinals get: Robbie Ray (LHP)
Diamondbacks get: Randy Arozarena (OF), Tyler O'Neill (OF), Delvin Perez (INF)

Padres get: Mookie Betts (OF)
Red Sox get: Eric Lauer (LHP), Hunter Renfroe (OF), Kirby Yates (RHP)

Reds get: Trey Mancini (OF)
Orioles get: Nick Lodolo (LHP), TJ Friedl (OF)

Brewers get: Omar Narvaez (C)
Mariners get: Tristan Lutz (OF)

Dodgers get: Corey Kluber (RHP)
Indians get: Diego Cartaya (C), Omar Estevez (2B), Jeren Kendall (OF)

Mets get: Starling Marte (OF)
Pirates get: Andres Gimenez (SS), Franklyn Kilome (RHP)


1.) 26 Nov 2019 17:39:29

Robbie ray is pretty good. However, i think mookie attracts even more from SD, maybe even Luis Urias.

2.) 27 Nov 2019 13:29:47
Betts only has one season left on his contract and hasn't shown a willingness to sign an extension. Teams won't be keen on giving up extreme packages for one season of him.




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18 Jan 2020 16:51:42
thestatbook, I see your point, and also register that it's just an example.

I do think that the Astros would get a really good return on Correa, but I also agree, the price dropped quite a bit since this scandal.




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16 Jan 2020 17:49:46
The Red Sox scandal puts Boston in a unique spot regarding Betts.

On one hand, they could trade him and get what they can. If he walks, they don't get the opportunity to draft talent in his leaving.

On the other, without the draft picks, they'd need to ensure that the talent coming back is better than the lost picks. Teams will know this, and like thestatbook said in an above post: no one is going to bail out Houston or Boston.

Personally, I think Boston will stand pat. Let it boil over a bit, trade Betts at the trade deadline, unless they are in contention, and take the chance.

No one is giving them top prospects now. It won't happen. And Boston won't take nothing for Betts, either.




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16 Jan 2020 17:45:22
Why would LA do this? With no guarantee that Betts will sign an extension, they aren't giving up Adell for a rental.




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27 Dec 2019 17:23:43
For which trade?




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26 Dec 2019 22:57:13
None of this matters. The Padres won't trade for Lindor.

That would mean A. J. Preller doesn't get to use Profar at 2B, and the hard-on Preller has for that guy is apparent. Profar is the Padres' second baseman.





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08 Jan 2020 22:04:00
Statbook, are you just trying to stir the pot with one individual?




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27 Dec 2019 16:10:34
I read that Jonah Keri book, Chi Sox. It's a great book. It's even better when you read it without a predisposition of thinking it proves what you're saying, but that's neither here nor there.

The point I think many here are making, or least I'm making, is that you can't just assume that every team thinks the same way, acts the same way, and has the same valuations. Obviously teams are trying to get production at cost efficiency. That's every business since the beginning of time (Also notice: baseball teams are owned by mostly successful businessmen, and many GMs have economics and math backgrounds) .

Yes, every team uses surplus value to an extent. Every business does as well. Pizza Hut works hard to shave one cent off the cost of their pizza boxes, because they can make more money by doing so. Everyone wants greater returns on their investments. None of that is false.

What's "false" is someone thinking that the numbers they came up with represent reality. You don't know what reality is here. You're making it up. Craig Edwards is making it up. You might have a fairly general sense of what those numbers are, but we simply don't know.

The Baseball Trade Value site valued Luis Urias at 66M. Fangraphs and other places valued him around the same. His return netted the Padres -45+ million (that's negative 45), based on the values everyone else had. So is Preller an idiot or does he value players differently? If this is gospel truth, you have to say he's wrong, in which the Padres owner should fire him for losing 45M in value in one trade.

The truth is, Preller is justifying this trade to his superiors because he has numbers that he and his team have developed regarding Grisham and Davies. Meanwhile, David Stearns is probably celebrating, because he's looking at Urias and Lauer's numbers that he and his team have developed.

If this was gospel truth, we wouldn't have bad trades. We wouldn't have winners and losers of trades. And baseball would be incredibly boring. And if "How to put the best possible team on the field for the lowest possible price is how teams (and all firms) operate", you wouldn't have teams like the Giants trading Bryan Reynolds for Andrew McCutchen, or trading for a 32 year old Evan Longoria. Teams operate in a multitude of ways. They think differently. When Bobby Evans was with the Giants, their mindset was to sell tickets, and so they made some stupid trades that got big name players in the ballpark, but did nothing for the future. Some teams leverage future talent for current production, other teams like the Dodgers refuse to trade their best prospects.

This isn't gospel truth, at all. It never was. It's incredibly arrogant for anyone to think so. But you don't really seem willing to entertain anyone else's ideas, and that's why you posted this to begin with. I'm now seeing that the problem isn't Thestatbook (although he's still a jerk), it's actually you, Chi Sox. You can't get over how smart you think you sound, and it's quite obnoxious.




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26 Dec 2019 22:53:56
Okay, so this is ridiculous. All of it. So let me say this from a third-party:

One, both of you need to stop. Thestatbook is a jerk and while I typically agree, there are ways to say it. Chisox, if you don't want people to disagree with you, don't call people out in your posts. Your Price trade to the White Sox wasn't that great. And that's okay.

Two, Chisox, it's a little ironic that you suggest Thestabook can't handle disagreement. This post wouldn't exist if you could handle it. You can't. And you felt that you needed to call people out. It's kind of petty.

Three, Fangraphs is not the end-all, be-all. It has taken a big step back when guys like Dave Cameron, Eno Sarris, and several others left. Fangraphs can be wrong, and very often, they ARE wrong.

Four, surplus value IS a real thing. But some people use it like it's some sort of gospel truth. Just when we think we know how teams value players, they prove us wrong. The Padres continue to show that none of us know how teams value players. It changes all the time and for any circumstance. Chisox, it's pretty easy to see why people would think it's annoying that others would treat it like some kind of gospel truth: because it isn't. If you go to that site Baseball Trade Values, the values, which are supposedly "grounded in reality" have been way off all winter. Teams certainly use surplus value, but you have absolutely zero clue how, and you probably shouldn't act so arrogant about it.

Five (and last), just move on. Both of you. I can see from your profiles a myriad of silly, dumb arguments that went well longer than needed. You don't need to accuse people of making up new profiles, of saying "you know nothing" or get in this pseudo-peeing contest with each other. Just move on.