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28 Jul 2022 16:29:33
Let's make some tradez.

#1
Cardinals get: OF Juan Soto
Nationals get: 3B Nolan Gorman, 3B Jordan Walker, RHP Tink Hence, SS Masyn Winn

#2
Astros get: RHP Luis Castillo
Reds get: RHP Jose Urquidy, RHP Hunter Brown, SS Pedro Leon

#3
Mets get: C Willson Contreras
Cubs get: 3B Mark Vientos

#4
Rays get: C Sean Murphy
Athletics get: 3B Curtis Mead, 2B Vidal Brujan, RHP Seth Johnson, C Rene Pinto

#5
Giants get: OF Ian Happ, RHP Adrian Sampson
Cubs get: OF Luis Matos, C Adrian Sugastey, LHP Nick Swiney, RHP Kervin Castro

natedog

 

 

14 Mar 2022 12:23:10
Giants remaining moves:

-Sign Richard Rodriguez, 1/5.5M
-Sign Danny Duffy 1/$6M (with an $8M 2023 option, $500K buyout)
-Acquire OF Brent Rooker from Minnesota for 1B/3B Luis Toribio

Lineup
2B- La Stella
1B- Belt
SS- Crawford
LF- Wade/Rooker
DH- Ruf
3B- Longoria
RF- Yastrzemski/Slater
CF- Duggar/Slater
C- Bart/Casali

Bench
C- Bart/Casali
INF- Flores
OF- Slater
OF- Rooker

Rotation
-Webb
-Rodon
-DeSclafani
-Cobb
-Wood

Bullpen-
-Doval (R)
-Rodriguez (R)
-McGee (L)
-Rogers (R)
-Leone (R)
-Alvarez (L)
-Garcia (L)
-Littell (R)
-Carlos Martinez (R)

Note: Danny Duffy starts the season on the IL.

natedog

1.) 14 Mar 2022 13:06:07
On a second look, there are 27 guys on this roster. Until we know for sure if there will be expanded rosters to start the year, I guess Zack Littell starts in the minors.


2.) 05 Apr 2022 18:15:40
Kind of ironic you bringing up White Sox injuries when your 1, 4, and 6 hitters here are on the shelf, Nathan.


3.) 06 Apr 2022 14:01:51
Well, if all else fails, I can pull the old "bUt ThE iNjUrIeS" excuse like White Sox fans did last year (and likely will this year) .

But hey, look at your team, they are going to have Vince Velasquez start games. Good thing you've got that deep bullpen and offense. 8-0 deficits after the 3rd inning may be tough to overcome.

Wade will be back in the lineup as early as next week, and La Stella as well (he may be okay for Opening Day, at least off the bench) . And in the meantime, the Giants run Estrada/ Flores in the infield and Joc Pederson as Slater's platoon partner? That's not a bad thing.

This is what you get when you build tremendous depth all around the field.

Meanwhile, the White Sox's depth includes Vince Velasquez and Dallas Keuchel in the starting rotation and Kyle Crick in the bullpen LOL.

But I look forward to the excuses when you're using Reese "Choking the Chicken" McGuire as the starting catcher by mid-May.

The Twins and Tigers got better. The White Sox have Vince Velasquez as a starting pitcher. Should be comical to watch.


4.) 06 Apr 2022 14:23:58
While we're at it, if there's ever been a fit for the White Sox, Kyle Crick is it.

Losing your season because you broke your hand fighting a teammate? Between him and Tim Anderson's violence issues, Reese McGuire's perversion, and Tony La Russa's substance-abuse issues, the White Sox sure do know how to pick 'em.


5.) 06 Apr 2022 16:55:51
The National League is terrified of the Giants infield of Flores, Crawford, Estrada and Belt.


6.) 06 Apr 2022 21:36:07
LOL. That group hit a combined 135 wRC+ and .371 wOBA, along with 78 HR (19 per hitter) on an .874 OPS.

So yeah, they probably should be. Because that's really damn good.


 

 

02 Dec 2021 04:02:57
JBJ and lesser prospects for Hunter Renfroe.

To think, the Brewers missed their chance at acquiring Dallas Keuchel and his 18M salary!

Dang. Their loss.

natedog

1.) 02 Dec 2021 15:00:09
Could have saved two pretty good prospects! Good thing Milwaukee's farm system is already elite.


2.) 02 Dec 2021 20:42:54
But what they needed more than those prospects: an 18M #5 starter. Tough luck.


 

 

29 Nov 2021 16:36:11
White Sox-Braves trade:

Braves get: Craig Kimbrel

White Sox get: Ronald Acuna, Jr.


How could the Braves ever turn down getting a top 10 reliever in the league for a guy with a busted up ACL?

Chi Sox logic.

natedog

1.) 29 Nov 2021 18:52:57
Guys, Natedog is really struggling to cope right now. He's posting ridiculous trades and slapping my name on it, creating friends on this forum to agree with him because his takes are that bad, and his team even lost Kevin Gausman after I was correct about his market.

Let's support him in this time of need.


2.) 30 Nov 2021 16:25:28
Funny thing is, this is more realistic than literally any trade proposal Chi Sox has ever made.

Again, you know it's bad when the exact idea he came up was mocked openly by Mike Petriello on Twitter, along with other baseball guys.


3.) 30 Nov 2021 17:54:37
Which trade are you alluding to, Nathan?


4.) 30 Nov 2021 19:16:10
Jean Segura for Craig Kimbrel LMAOOOO.


5.) 01 Dec 2021 14:24:30
Kevin Gausman for $84 million LMAOOOO. Remember, he said he wanted to return to SF. I was reliably told by you.


6.) 01 Dec 2021 18:38:19
I mean, he said it in multiple interviews. Grant Brisbee, Alex Pavolovic, Kerry Crowley, and Andrew Baggerly ALL mentioned the comment.

He then further indicated that his feelings were hurt that the Giants weren't as hot on his trail as he wished they were.

It turns out, the Toronto Blue Jays offered more money than the Giants were, and more years (rumor mill circling that the Giants offered 4/ 90 to Gausman) .

So saying that Gausman wanted to return wasn't made up gobbledygook like we're used to seeing from you. It was a quote straight from the man himself.


7.) 01 Dec 2021 19:12:16
Gausman's quote to The Athletic:

“To be honest, I don’t think the Giants expected me to pitch as well as I did this year, ” Gausman told The Athleitc. “So I’m not putting my eggs into one basket. I’m trying to focus on what I can control right now, which is basically nothing. But yeah, I hope they’ll call me. And honestly, if they don’t, my feelings probably will be hurt because I felt I was a part of something special. ”

His quote to MLB's Maria Guardado:

"“I've kind of hopped around the last couple of years. I felt like I made some good relationships and then had to leave. I just know what I'm getting myself into, know what to expect. I talked from day one just about how great everybody treated me and my family here. That definitely was part of it, but I’ve really enjoyed my time here so far. I really liked all my teammates. "

He mentioned, on video, in an October 3rd Tweet from @NBCSGiants that he "grew up a Giants fan. "

But yes, please continue on how I was one year off on my contract prediction.

But hey, how'd that Joey Wendle for Craig Kimbrel trade go for the White Sox?


8.) 01 Dec 2021 19:47:34
So if you're keeping track at home, we have:

Ketel Marte to the White Sox, in a trade that sends Upton to Arizona and Keuchel to the Angels (of course the White Sox get to steer clear of all dead money and take the best player in the deal. go figure) .

We have: Craig Kimbrel for Wendle and Kiermaier.

We have: Craig Kimbrel for Jean Segura (a trade literally mocked by a guy from MLB. com)

We have: Kevin Gausman to the White Sox.

We have: Dallas Keuchel for Jackie Bradley Jr.

And my woes were that I suggested the Giants don't offer more than a 4-year deal to Gausman.

More for the record:

"Although, 76 wins is a good current 2021 projection for Zaidi's Giants. So he may be right on track for a playoff berth in 2027."

You were only SIX SEASONS OFF, my guy. Jesus, what a take that was.

For someone with your history of being so laughably off on this kind of stuff, you sure do have a puffed up head.

But yes, I missed the contract on one player. Anything you need to do to distract yourself from how hilariously bad your predictions have been on here.


9.) 01 Dec 2021 21:26:09
You're trashing my offseason plan because the predictions haven't hit (not meant to be predictions btw, simply the path I would've pursued), yet the only thing you have "predicted" correctly in your Giants offseason plan is the Belt QO.

"Ketel Marte to the White Sox, in a trade that sends Upton to Arizona and Keuchel to the Angels (of course the White Sox get to steer clear of all dead money and take the best player in the deal. go figure) "

This was not in my offseason plan. This was a far-fetched idea that I brought up. 3-team deals with that many players hardly ever happen.

"But yes, I missed the contract on one player. Anything you need to do to distract yourself from how hilariously bad your predictions have been on here. "

It's not that you missed on one player - all of us will predict more wrong than we do right. However, it was you believing that I was crazy for proposing Gausman playing somewhere other than SF and for offering him 5 for $120 million (he signed for 5 for $110 million for the record; a lot closer than 4 for $84 million)

It may be time to switch over to your David Stearns account full time.


10.) 02 Dec 2021 00:15:13
I never once said you were "crazy. " My exact quote:

:Gausman has stated that he grew up a Giants fan and wants to play for them, I think it's best to project he'll play there until the Giants move on. "

I feel that's a pretty generous, healthy and contributive comment, don't you?

I also said, "It's entirely possible Gausman moves on, especially if he gets an offer that he simply can't refuse. "

Once again, I open the door to me being willing to be wrong.

Going along with a player's very word that he wants to return to the Giants seems like a pretty solid reason to predict he returns.

It's actually based in reality. Turns out, the interest from the Giants wasn't to Gausman's liking.

I never even remotely hinted that you were crazy. You're just looking for a win now LMAO. And I get it, with how hysterically bad your other ideas were, I'd be desperate too.

Maybe it's time you create a new account and forget the "Chi Sox" account ever existed.


11.) 02 Dec 2021 00:22:33
"yet the only thing you have "predicted" correctly in your Giants offseason plan is the Belt QO. "

So what you're saying is that I'm 1/ 1, while you're batting about as well as Cesar Hernandez's White Sox stint?

Also, for your ideas being, by your own account, "far fetched", you sure get a bit testy when people challenge it, don't you? Even you acknowledge the truth (which is rare, but we'll take what we can get), and yet, you can't handle when others disagree. Not that I'm surprised, but it'd be nice to see *SOME* improvement over the years.

Also, your super intelligent "Kimbrel for Segura" trade just got shot in the foot by Dave Dombrowski LMAO.


12.) 02 Dec 2021 03:27:21
Did he actually reference Kimbrel or are you talking about him saying they're "not necessarily looking for a closer at this point"?

I think the Phillies have a really solid team - one that could easily win a division in 2022 if they make a few improvements. They need a shortstop badly and their pen is quite obviously a glaring hole. They also lost Neris who'd pretty damn good in his own right. While I like Knebel as a reliever, I'd be very unhappy as a Phillie fan walking into next season with him as my closer.

Adding Kimbrel (even if it was for Segura) and let's say, Story, Rosario and a CF via trade makes them a lot more interesting.

"So what you're saying is that I'm 1/ 1, while you're batting about as well as Cesar Hernandez's White Sox stint? "

No, you missed on Gausman, Bundy, Verlander, and Neris too. They could still get Suzuki I guess, but I really think he'll be a Mariner. The Yarbrough trade is also theoretically still in play.


13.) 02 Dec 2021 13:53:50
"While I like Knebel as a reliever, I'd be very unhappy as a Phillie fan walking into next season with him as my closer. "

Yes, the Phillies should be unhappy with a closer who had a 2.45 ERA in 25 IP with the Dodgers in 2021. What they should really be looking for is to pay 160% more than Knebel for a guy who had a 5.09 ERA in 23 IP with the White Sox!

And they should give up their best middle infielder, which is also a glaring need, to acquire him!

I will continue to hammer the point that Craig Kimbrel was completely and utterly terrible for the White Sox and that his value is essentially zero.

I will also continue to hammer the point that teams aren't dropping $16M on a reliever who was good for exactly 4 months out of the past 3 seasons, and they certainly aren't giving up anything of value for him.

Hahn would have been wiser to buy out his option and use the savings (15M) to just acquire a 2B via free agency. And if he really wanted to keep Kimbrel, I'm pretty sure he could have had him for a lot cheaper.

But yeah, maybe there's a GM out there dumber than Rick Hahn right now who'll give up something--ANYTHING--for Craig Kimbrel, but I seriously doubt it.


14.) 02 Dec 2021 15:04:04
Player A: 5.59 ERA, 4.34 FIP, 12.88 K/ 9, 3.72 BB/ 9, 1.86 HR/ 9. 0.3 WAR

Player B: 5.09 ERA. 4.56 FIP. 14.09 K/ 9, 3.91 BB/ 9, 1.96 HR/ 9

-- --

Player A is Heath Hembree.
Player B is Craig Kimbrel with the White Sox.

The Phillies could just sign Heath Hembree.


15.) 02 Dec 2021 15:34:14
"I will also continue to hammer the point that teams aren't dropping $16M on a reliever who was good for exactly 4 months out of the past 3 seasons, and they certainly aren't giving up anything of value for him. "

Lol, going from "absolutely not"

"But yeah, maybe there's a GM out there dumber than Rick Hahn right now who'll give up something"

to "well maybe"!

Also, let me know when we're going to stop grading relievers with ERA over 25 inning samples. Knebel, who has thrown 39 innings over the last 3 seasons, just got $10 million. But Kimbrel's lack of recent consistent track record kills his trade value? GTFOH. Kimbrel is a better pitcher and was never playing 2022 for much cheaper than $15 million.

Second base is not a glaring need for Philly, it's short. They have three guys that can play second for most of 2022.

"I will continue to hammer the point that Craig Kimbrel was completely and utterly terrible for the White Sox and that his value is essentially zero. "

His 26.5 K-BB% with the White Sox was in the 92nd percentile of pitchers who threw a minimum of 10 innings during the second half of 2021. Please though, tell me more about the reliability of ERA, especially over tiny samples.


16.) 02 Dec 2021 22:13:42
"Hey man, I won't get lung cancer from these cigarettes, you're using a small sample size! " said the man dying of lung cancer.

What's hysterical is that I can't use the 23.0 IP of absolutely, pathetically bad pitching, because it's "too small of a sample size", but you can use the 36.2 IP, also a small sample size, to say Kimbrel is elite.

Teams use "small sample sizes" all the damn time in baseball. Literally evidenced by BOTH relievers in this discussion:

The Phillies paid Corey Knebel based on his last 26 innings, and the White Sox acquired Kimbrel based on his previous 37 innings.

More examples:

The Brewers traded for Drew Pomeranz after seeing him in a relief role for 5.1 innings.

The Braves gave Drew Smyly 11M aftehr a season in which he pitched 26.1 innings.

That's just a few. There are PAGES worth of examples I could give.

If you don't think teams make decisions on small sample sizes, then you truly aren't paying attention.

Teams are absolutely going to be put off by Kimbrel's stint with the White Sox, especially when it fell completely in line with his 2019 and 2020 performances, and then considering the fact that he's owed 16M, they won't pay it.

But this shouldn't bother you too much. The White Sox clearly have a top 15 relief pitcher on their hands.

But hey, at least you have a 92nd percentile K-BB% to wash down the home runs Craig Kimbrel continues to serve up!


17.) 03 Dec 2021 15:20:47
"Teams use "small sample sizes" all the damn time in baseball. "

"a reliever who was good for exactly 4 months out of the past 3 seasons"

Bro, pick a side. Either small samples matter or they don't. If you're going to say that Kimbrel's last three months are detrimental to his outlook to the point where he is a useless baseball player, then that's just recency bias.


18.) 13 Dec 2021 13:43:58
The funny thing is: I haven't even brought up "small sample sizes" for Craig Kimbrel, or "recency bias". I brought up his LAST THREE EFFING SEASONS to you, and you're hellbent on focusing on what he did for 4 months with the Cubs. You know what we call that? Oh yeah, small sample size!

To quote you: "Bro, pick a side. "

Let's open up the past three seasons for Kimbrel, just once more for you:

2019: Absolutely terrible.
2020: Absolutely terrible.
2021 with Cubs (4 months) : Incredible.
2021 with White Sox (3 months) : Absolutely terrible.

Trust me, the last three months of 2021 fit the larger sampling WAYYYYY more than the first four.

The White Sox still paid a hefty price for Kimbrel's first half of 2021, because teams do this ALL THE TIME. They pay for small, recent samples.

You're trying to convince everyone that Craig Kimbrel is still an elite reliever ON SMALL SAMPLES all the while trying to downplay small samples.

So to recap:

If you believe that teams are looking at larger, recent samples: Craig Kimbrel is terrible.

If you believe that teams are looking at recent, small samples: Craig Kimbrel is absolutely terrible.

Craig Kimbrel used to be good in the same way Albert Pujols used to be really good. Now, they are exactly the same: washed up has-beens who shouldn't sniff an MLB roster.

The only difference is that the Dodgers simply signed Pujols to a league-minimum deal. The White Sox gave up Heuer and Madrigal for Kimbrel AND picked up his $16M option.

But here you are, thinking the White Sox are on par with the Dodgers! LOLOLOLOL.


19.) 13 Dec 2021 22:25:46
Again, his 26.5 K-BB% with the White Sox was in the 92nd percentile of pitchers who threw a minimum of 10 innings during the second half of 2021.

That K-BB% was better than every single Giants reliver in the 2nd half sans Littel. Apparently every single other Giants reliever that pitched at least 20 innings was "absolutely terrible" through the second half of 2021.

Kimbrel also pitched more innings with the Cubs in 2021 than he did in 2019 and 2020 combined. You conveniently left that detail out. Nothing new, however.

"But, but, but, HIS ERA! ", screamed the boomer stuck in 1995. His .295 BABIP was 32 points higher than his career average and his 19.5% HR/ FB was more than 8% higher than his career average.

Your logic is literally the epitome of recency bias. You equating Kimbrel's value to Albert Pujols shows that you really don't know what you're talking about. Quite the downfall for know-it-all Nate this offseason. Tremendously tough scene.


20.) 15 Dec 2021 13:32:07
And Kimbrel had a .203 BABIP in the first half, 58 points lower than his career average, but we're supposed to automatically assume that this kind of deviance is acceptable, but a 38 point deviance from his career BABIP, which falls in line with his most recent 3-year average is not?

Or how about his HR/ FB%?

Hey Siri, what was Craig Kimbrel's HR/ FB% from 2019 to 2021? "Here's your answer: Craig Kimbrel's HR/ FB% from 2019 to 2021 was 19.1%. "

Hey, 19.2% seems strangely REALLLLLLYYYYY close to his average over the last three seasons, does it not?

But yeah, the 3.8% (a rate SIX TIMES lower than his 3-year average) is much, much more reliable! I mean, expecting us to take at wholesale value the really solid production that took place over 4 months, and not the really crappy performance that took place for 2.5 seasons isn't recency bias or anything?

No way! Clearly Craig Kimbrel is the pitcher we saw with the Cubs in 2021, not the Craig Kimbrel we saw with the Cubs in 2019, 2020, or with the White Sox in 2021. No way! What an aberration!


21.) 15 Dec 2021 21:07:54
Some other "elite pitchers" from the 90th percentile of K-BB%:

Hoby Milner, Scott Effross, Jason Adam.

And to think: the Cubs let Jason Adam walk, and the Brewers aren't even using Hoby Milner pitch in the majors.

Man, if only they knew that their K-BB ratios suddenly rendered their ERAs completely moot!


22.) 16 Dec 2021 20:26:53
"Guys, we know a much to high percent of everything Kimbrel pitches ends up in Gary, Indiana, but have you seen his strikeout-to-walk ratio? "


23.) 18 Dec 2021 15:50:56
We are now to the point where you are arguing that the relationship of strikeouts to walks for a relief pitcher isn't important. What do you think is more sticky, K-BB% or ERA. (hint: It is 1000% the former) . If ERA is the first stat you reference to judge whether a pitcher has been successful or not, then I need to welcome you to the 21st century my man. It has quite literally zero predictive power in projecting the next season's ERA. This has been proven countless times.

Jason Adam had a .429 BABIP, Milner at .393, and Elfross was simply really good in his 14.2 innings despite be a no-namer. You pointing out these guys doesn't prove what you think it does, lol. These are solid pitchers.

You can't call Kimbrel's 2021 with the Cubs a small sample and then act like his 2019 + 2020 seasons provide more to the 3-year average. He literally threw more innings in 1 half of 2021 than in 2019 AND 2020 COMBINED! One can't be a small sample and the others a massive signal that he's washed. Referencing those 35 innings from 2019-2020 as "TWO WHOLE SEASONS" simply makes no sense. With that logic, his dominant 36 innings with the Cubs in 2021 would be just as good of a signal that he's an elite closer.

I know that you had a rude awakening to some advanced, yet relatively basic pitching stats (see: xFIP), so I tried to dumb it down even more to something as simple strikeouts vs. walks (i. e. the outcomes that any given pitcher has the most control of), and yet it appears that this kind of stuff is still pretty far over your head.

Good news for you though is that there's still a healthy subset of boomers who thing that ERA for pitcher evaluation still matters!


24.) 19 Dec 2021 12:34:15
"We are now to the point where you are arguing that the relationship of strikeouts to walks for a relief pitcher isn't important"

Good grief, no, we're not. We're to the point where you're PRETENDING that a pitcher with a *checks notes* 5.09 ERA is suddenly "elite" because of a K-BB%. You're grasping at straws and trying to pretend that teams only care about K-BB% and that we should just not address ANY of the other concerning statistics?

"You can't call Kimbrel's 2021 with the Cubs a small sample and then act like his 2019 + 2020 seasons provide more to the 3-year average. "

I literally used small samples, then you said I couldn't do that. So I went to a larger sampling, then you said I couldn't do that either. But now, you're okay with using *some* small samples, but not others.

So when will you just come right out and tell everyone that we're not allowed to address any statistics that are negative toward the Chicago White Sox?

That's essentially where we are in this discussion. You dodge any statistic that isn't favorable and try to pretend that it's unimportant, despite you having very clearly used ERA in the past to build up your own arguments. Did you also learn from your own ineptitudes or are you continuing to blow smoke?

If we're both being honest, we know it's the latter.

Here's the FACTS:

Craig Kimbrel was hilariously awful in 2019.
Craig Kimbrel was hilariously awful in 2020.

Then, he had a woefully unsustainable first half of 2021, with a 3.8 HR/ FB% and a .203 BABIP, both major deviations from his career numbers, but also his most recent 3-season sample.

Then, the White Sox paid a COMICAL return for Craig Kimbrel, one that was mocked by people everywhere, myself included. You continued to act like I was stupid and that Kimbrel would be this elite pitcher with the White Sox and continue his dominance.

So, he goes to the White Sox, and what does he do? He performs EXACTLY how he did in 2019 and 2020.

And yet, he's elite. He's not only elite by his Cubs small sampling. He's elite by his WHITE SOX SMALL SAMPLING.

Again, just acknowledge the truth: you don't like anyone telling you that your precious White Sox and your Savior, Rick Hahn, aren't as good as you thought.

But yes, every team should be emulating picking up aging relievers coming off horrible half-seasons and giving them $16M. I'm sure this will work out really well.


25.) 19 Dec 2021 12:35:22
Mark my words: Craig Kimbrel will an ERA above 5.00, and a negative WAR in 2022.

Feel free to return to this in October 2022.


26.) 20 Dec 2021 14:17:33
No, you're taking your own comments out of context. You presented Kimbrel's 2019 (20.2 IP) as a "bad season", his 2020 (15.1 IP) as a "bad season", and then refer to his 2021 with the Cubs as a "woefully unsustainable first half", and I'll tell you for the third time that that makes absolutely zero sense.

Kimbrel's 2021 in total ended up being a 2.2 fWAR season, good for 6th among relievers. If the first and second half of his season weren't so contrasting and his struggles were mixed in to his first half success, this wouldn't be a discussion. He put up a replacement level second half (where his usage was completely mis-managed by La Russa) after an all-star first half to finish with a top-10 RP season. I don't think it's crazy to say that a guy coming off a season in which he struck out 42.6% of batters faced and only walked 9.8% isn't completely washed. You can't exactly fluke your way into that over 60 IP.

Maybe the Giants should trade for Craig. He'd instantly be their best RP. In fact, the White Sox have literally 5 arms in their bullpen that would be the Giants best RP in an instant, LOL.

"Mark my words: Craig Kimbrel will an ERA above 5.00, and a negative WAR in 2022."

I will gladly eat crow if this happens.


27.) 20 Dec 2021 16:14:21
"You presented Kimbrel's 2019 (20.2 IP) as a "bad season", his 2020 (15.1 IP) as a "bad season", and then refer to his 2021 with the Cubs as a "woefully unsustainable first half", and I'll tell you for the third time that that makes absolutely zero sense. "

Shot.

"If the first and second half of his season weren't so contrasting and his struggles were mixed in to his first half success, this wouldn't be a discussion"

Chaser.


28.) 20 Dec 2021 16:38:36
And of course, if Craig Kimbrel wasn't hilariously bad with the White Sox in 2021, and kept even a little bit within his first half numbers, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

But that awful stint with the White Sox happened. And as I've been pointing out for a while now, it fell more in line with his 2019 and 2020 numbers than the first half did.

Statistically, it's far more likely that what Craig Kimbrel did in the second half is the more likely projection going forward and that his first half was a total aberration and is largely irrelevant as we project going forward.

I'll agree that there's a chance that Kimbrel could do it again. If lightning can strike in the same place twice, he's got a chance, and it's likely why his ZiPS projections are favorable (that and the 2021 Cubs numbers will skew the algorithm) .

But if this were any other pitcher on any other team, you'd be agreeing: Craig Kimbrel is most likely the pitcher he was in the second-half going forward.

And I think most teams will see that the same way.

And for the record, there's a small chance that Craig Kimbrel *could* be the Giants best reliever should they acquire him. But that's mostly because Farhan actually takes garbage players and makes them really good players.

Craig Kimbrel is, by definition, a garbage baseball player. So maybe he can do what Rick Hahn could not: make Craig Kimbrel decent.

Here's a trade:

Giants get: Kimbrel, Cespedes
White Sox get: Dilan Rosario.

The White Sox will have to attach a pretty intriguing prospect just to clear the salary. And like that, Dilan Rosario would be the best 2B option on the White Sox, and their best prospect.


29.) 20 Dec 2021 23:01:35
Very true, I forgot to factor in the Farhan Zaidi fairy dust effect.

"I'll agree that there's a chance that Kimbrel could do it again. "

Don't try and walk back your "Mark my words: Craig Kimbrel will an ERA above 5.00, and a negative WAR in 2022" claim now, Nate. Very sly of you to cover all of your bases tho. That Steamer projection making you a little nervous?

So, if I understand correctly, Kimbrel could bounce back to be a productive reliever (maybe even a high end one like Steamer projects), but only he happens to get traded to SF, which you are now realizing may not be such a crazy idea after all.

As a side note, we also know that MLB not only banned sticky stuff mid-season, but they also literally changed the baseballs. It's not *the* reason for Kimbrel's drop off, but it could have certainly played a role.


30.) 04 Apr 2022 15:09:34
"Very true, I forgot to factor in the Farhan Zaidi fairy dust effect. "

Darin Ruf. Check.
Mike Yastrzemski. Check.
LaMonte Wade Jr. Check.
Donovan Solano. Check.
Thairo Estrada. Check.
Tyler Rogers. Check.
Zack Littell. Check.
Kevin Gausman. Check.
Drew Smyly. Check.
Dominic Leone. Check.

If you don't think that Zaidi could have found a way to fix Craig Kimbrel's issues, then you're being ridiculous. There's a reason pitchers are nearly busting down doors trying to play in San Francisco.


 

 

15 Nov 2021 14:21:20
Giants Offseason

(Update since Posey retired)

Non-tender Alex Dickerson & Tyler Beede.

Re-sign 1B Brandon Belt (accepts QO)- 1/18.4M
Re-sign RHP Kevin Gausman 4/84M


Sign RHP Dylan Bundy 1/6.5M
Sign RHP Justin Verlander 2/32M
Sign OF Seiya Suzuki 5/75M
Sign RHP Hector Neris 2/15M


Trade LHP Nick Swiney & 1B Garrett Frechette to Tampa Bay for LHP Ryan Yarbrough

C- Casali
1B- Belt
2B- Flores/La Stella
SS- Crawford
3B- Longoria
LF- Wade/Suzki
CF- Slater/Duggar
RF- Yastrzemski

Bench
C- Bart
1B/OF- Ruf
2B/3B- Flores/La Stella
OF- Wade/Suzuki
OF- Duggar/Slater

Rotation
1. Webb (R)
2. Gausman (R)
3. Verlander (R)
4. Bundy (R)
5. Yarbrough (L)

Bullpen
CP- Doval (R)
CP- McGee (L)
SU- Rogers (R)
RP- Neris (R)
RP- Leone (R)
RP- J. Garcia (L)
RP- Littell (R)
RP- Alvarez (L)

Estimated 2022 Payroll- $168 Million

natedog

1.) 15 Nov 2021 17:50:36
Still think Gausman at 4/ 84 represents a substantial hometown discount. He's the best pitcher on the market over 4+ seasons, by a decent margin.


2.) 15 Nov 2021 21:15:44
Possibly. And I'd agree it's a hometown discount. He's made it very clear he wants to play in San Francisco, on several occasions.


3.) 16 Nov 2021 04:36:36
I think LAA comes after Gausman hard. Arte probably signs off on 5/ 110-120 easy. Trip to OC might not be too bad for $30 million extra.


4.) 16 Nov 2021 13:38:45
It's entirely possible Gausman moves on, especially if he gets an offer that he simply can't refuse.

But every indication, again, is that there's mutual interest in bringing him back. I just don't know if Zaidi is ready to drop 100M+ on Gausman. I'd rather him give it to Stroman.


5.) 16 Nov 2021 14:14:56
Agree to disagree there I guess. No chance in heck I'd take Stroman over Gausman.

Reports are that LAA is going over the QO to sign Synderaard. Major desperation mode - I think one of Gausman, Stroman or Ray is going there as well.


6.) 16 Nov 2021 14:51:39
I think my greater fear is that the Giants would be paying to get second half Kevin Gausman, which is why I don't want them going more than 4 years on him.


7.) 17 Nov 2021 13:32:33
This offseason should be interesting. To date, the biggest free agent contract they've handed out under Zaidi was to Tommy La Stella. It's clear they'll blow straight through that this winter, but I remain unconvinced that they are going to start giving out 100M contracts just yet.


8.) 18 Nov 2021 14:36:42
The Steamer projections for Stroman versus Gausman show why we shouldn't trust Steamer.

Gausman 2022: 191 IP, 10.02 K/ 9, 2.54 BB/ 9, 3.78 ERA, 3.69 FIP.
Stroman 2022: 182 IP, 7.39 K/ 9, 2.64 BB/ 9, 4.12 ERA, 4.08 FIP.

The problem I see is that Stroman's numbers, most importantly his ERA and FIP are elevated by 50 to 100 points, respectively from his 2021 numbers, and the last time Stroman was that bad over a full season was 2016. He was hurt in 2018. They don't reflect his career numbers very well.

Gausman's projections are elevated from 2021 as well, but they fall more in line with his career numbers.

Stroman's projections are obviously hurt by a gap in the algorithm, not having any numbers to input in 2020 due to his opt out, but it's odd to me that a guy who had 3.22 and 3.02 ERA seasons over his last two (and wasn't dealing with injuries) would somehow be projected as a 4.12 ERA guy the next season.

I think both are excellent pitchers. But I'd lean toward Stroman, mostly because he has a lengthier track record of success.


9.) 18 Nov 2021 17:20:03
Stroman's GB% is dropping and his 2021 BABIP was a career-low. For a pitcher that's so quality of contact-driven, that's a cause for concern. If he goes to a less defensively-efficient team (i. e. one that doesn't have Lindor and Baez up the middle), we could see the effect. I think he's a high-3s, low-4s ERA guy into his early 30s.

Remember that Steamer is merely a formula. It's not making any subjective determinations.


10.) 22 Nov 2021 13:34:41
Except when Darin Ruf is a -0.7 WAR player next year. Then you're more than willing to accept it as a determination.


11.) 22 Nov 2021 14:30:59
It would be better for your argument on Ruf if Steamer WAS making subjective determinations. Math tells us that you're severely overrating his future outlook.


12.) 29 Nov 2021 03:17:27
Yeah, 4/ 84 for Gausman was unsurprisingly never close, lol.


13.) 01 Dec 2021 20:03:36
Did Gausman go to the White Sox for 5/ 120?

Asking for a friend.


14.) 02 Dec 2021 03:21:10
Nope, but 5/ 120 was a lot closer than 4/ 84.


15.) 02 Dec 2021 14:38:32
4/ 84 is 21M AAV.

5/ 120 is 24M AAV.

He signed for 22M AAV.

Therefore, I was closer. Next argument.


 

 

 

natedog's banter posts with other poster's replies to natedog's banter posts

 

07 Aug 2022 12:20:04
"[The Giants] have ONE hitter projected to have a wRC+ over 110 (Belt) . This is tied with the Dbacks, Orioles, Pirates, Cubs, A's (LOL, great company) for the 2nd worst in baseball (only the Tigers have zero) . For reference, the White Sox and Blue Jays have 6 and the Dodgers have 7. No one else is higher than 5." -Chi Sox, before the season began.

We're over 100 games into the season, let's see how things are going with his "it's just math" prediction.

Minimum 150 PAs:

White Sox: 4 players over 110 wRC+.
Giants: 6.

Let's go with a minimum of 250 PAs:
White Sox: 4
Giants: 4.

Anyone else wanna tell Chi Sox where he should stick those projections he was using?

natedog

1.) 07 Aug 2022 22:59:32
Someone doesn't know how projections work, lol.

Well, the Giants do have 6 hitters over a 110 wRC+ and they're only, er, 22 games back! Just need to get hot!


2.) 08 Aug 2022 00:31:44
"Someone doesn't know how projections work"

Says the dude who's "projections" were so laughably wrong, for two years in a row now.

I'm not entirely sure YOU know how to make projections LOL.


3.) 08 Aug 2022 00:47:28
I'll sum it up this way: Projections are confirmed by their accuracy.

So far, your projection has not been remotely accurate, as the Giants have 6x as many hitters over 110 wRC+ than the "projection" states they would have.

When your projection holds accurate, come find me.


4.) 08 Aug 2022 05:57:30
Those are not "my projections", those are the projections that FanGraphs displays. They all said that the Giants wouldn't sniff their wins pace from last season, and here we are.

How's your projections working out? 2 egregious ones were that Jose Abreu's 2020 MVP season was a fluke (he's put up a 133 wRC+ and 6.1 WAR since then and is the 3rd best 1B in baseball this season only behind Goldschmidt and Freeman) .

Darin Ruf? He finally got a shot to get more regular ABs and sputtered to a 105 wRC+ with SF, just like I said the weak-side platoon piece would. Putting him up against Abreu was laughable.

The other was that "Craig Kimbrel is no longer a good pitcher". Well, Craig is has the 9th best FIP (2.04) and the 4th best xRV among RPs this season.

Whoops.

The Sox also have 5 hitters > 110 wRC+ even with your convenient 150 PA qualifier (Abreu, Vaughn, Robert, Burger, Anderson) and in 2022 PAs, Eloy Jimenez will be > 110 too.

Going down to a more logical 100 PA qualifier, the Sox have 7 hitter above 110, with the Giants still at 6. Nice trick there!


5.) 08 Aug 2022 14:29:58
"Going down to a more logical 100 PA qualifier, the Sox have 7 hitter above 110, with the Giants still at 6. Nice trick there! "

Wait, so you're acknowledging that the Giants have more than one hitter above 110?

Good to know LOL.

(Not to mention, it was YOUR claim. You didn't specify a minimum PA threshold. )


 

 

02 Aug 2022 20:14:22
Holy Darin Ruf trade, Batman.

The Giants get a controllable MLB bat, 2 40 FV prospects, and another piece for Darin Ruf.

LOL.

Fleeced.

natedog

1.) 05 Aug 2022 16:45:29
Farhan got fleeced indeed! Ruf is an elite bat! Better than the 148 wRC+ Jose Abreu!


2.) 07 Aug 2022 11:51:36
The Mets clearly thought he was worth a controllable MLB bat, 2 40 FV prospects and another prospect on top of it all.

They should have just emulated Rick Hahn and acquired a lefty-reliever with -0.5 WAR since 2021.


3.) 07 Aug 2022 23:02:20
Darin Ruf's most recent MLB season when the Giants picked him up: -0.5 fWAR.

You can't make this stuff up, Batman.


4.) 08 Aug 2022 00:32:32
Yes, and then he went to Korea and revived his career.


5.) 08 Aug 2022 01:06:38
Darin Ruf since 2021: 3.2 WAR.

The -0.5 WAR season that you reference was 2016.

Normally, this wouldn't be that difficult, but then again, I got to realize the source.


6.) 08 Aug 2022 06:02:11
My point is that supporting the Giants and their front office's philosophies while simultaneously bashing another GM for picking up a RP with poor results but elite stuff for absolutely nothing is kind of ironic, don't ya think?


7.) 08 Aug 2022 14:18:29
My point is that when the Giants signed Darin Ruf to come back the US and play for them, Darin Ruf was good. He was one of the best hitters in Korea at the time.

When the White Sox acquired Jake Diekman, he was not good.

I didn't think this would be that difficult to comprehend.


8.) 09 Aug 2022 00:28:47
Being good in Korea doesn't guarantee anything in MLB. It's essentially AAA.

Zaidi just picked up Dixon Machado who put up average numbers in the same exact same league over the past 2 seasons. Should he be condemned for that move too?

The Sox got a guy with 70-grade stuff (who's now struck out half of the hitters he faced in a Sox uniform and has pitch quality numbers that are significantly better than his results) for an out-of-options backup catcher that they were going to DFA otherwise, and your observation is "lol, that guy sucks".

Like, alright man. You just have a passionate hate for all things White Sox, probably stemming from them ruining your 4th of July weekend.


9.) 07 Sep 2022 15:00:42
LOL. It's comical that you highlight Diekman's K numbers, but conveniently ignore the fact that he's among the worst in baseball when it comes to walking batters and giving up home runs.

As far as the trade in the OP goes, since the trade:

Darin Ruf- 29 wRC+
J. D. Dav9s- 141 wRC+

Meanwhile,

Reese McGuire- 0.7 WAR (140 wRC+)
Jake Diekman- -0.1 WAR (5.23 ERA)

Let's take it one more step:

Since the trade deadline:

Yasmani Grandal- 104 wRC+, .314 wOBA (61 PAs)
Seby Zavala- 110 wRC+. .321 wOBA (64 PAs)
Reese McGuire- 140 wRC+, .370 wOBA (66 PAs)

That catcher they were "going to DFA otherwise" would be their best offensive catcher by leaps and bounds since the deadline. They traded him for one of the worst relievers in baseball.

Your 2020 Executive of the Year Runner-Up, everyone.

But hey, it's a good thing the White Sox play in a laughingstock of a baseball division. They might have a chance to still win it! Any other division, they'd be at least 12 games back. But not the AL Central. They are just 3 games back LMAOOOO.


 

 

07 Apr 2022 14:09:47
Updated 2022 Predictions

AL East
Toronto 98-64
New York 92-70
Boston- 82-80
Tampa Bay- 81-81
Baltimore- 59-103

AL Central
Chicago- 95-67
Minnesota- 84-78
Cleveland- 76-86
Detroit- 76-86
Kansas City- 64-98

AL West
Houston- 99-63
Seattle- 92-70
Los Angeles- 89-73
Texas- 74-88
Oakland- 60-102

NL East
Atlanta 95-67
Philadelphia 86-76
New York 84-78
Miami 81-81
Washington 65-97

NL Central
Milwaukee 96-66
St. Louis 90-72
Chicago 79-83
Cincinnati 66-96
Pittsburgh 65-97

NL West
Los Angeles 99-63
San Francisco 90-72
San Diego 89-73
Colorado 65-97
Arizona 59-103

Playoffs:
AL Wild Card
(6) Los Angeles vs. (3) Chicago. LAA wins 2-1
(5) Seattle vs. (4) New York. NYY wins 2-1

NL Wild Card
(6) San Diego vs. (3) Atlanta. ATL wins 2-0.
(5) St. Louis vs. (4) San Francisco. SFG wins 2-1.

AL Divisional Series
(6) Los Angeles vs. (2) Toronto. TOR wins 4-1.
(4) New York vs. (1) Houston. HOU wins 4-0.

NL Divisional Series
(3) Atlanta vs. (2) Milwaukee. MIL wins 4-2.
(4) San Francisco vs. (1) Los Angeles. LAD wins 4-3.

AL Championship Series
(2) Toronto vs. (1) Houston. HOU wins 4-2.

NL Championship Series
(2) Milwaukee vs. (1) Los Angeles. MIL wins 4-3.

World Series
Houston vs. Milwaukee. MIL wins 4-1.

Awards
AL MVP: Luis Robert, CHW
NL MVP Mookie Betts, LAD

AL Cy Young: Gerrit Cole, NYY
NL Cy Young: Max Fried, ATL

AL ROY: Julio Rodriguez, SEA
NL ROY: Bryson Stott, PHI

natedog

1.) 13 Jun 2022 13:22:06
Damn. Looks like I was FAR too generous toward the White Sox.


2.) 07 Jul 2022 04:59:01
Yup, you forgot to add that the White Sox would sweep the Giants right out of San Francisco, including curb stomping them on get away day.


3.) 07 Jul 2022 13:24:05
The White Sox have as many wins as the Baltimore Orioles.

But then again, I forgot about how the Orioles were the Los Angeles Dodgers of the American League!

Imagine being third in a division where the team ahead of you will struggle to stay .500 all season.


4.) 07 Jul 2022 13:28:46
A comprehensive list of the White Sox's successes this season, so far:

1. Sweeping a third place team on the road.

2. Their star SS pretending someone was racist toward him.

End of list.

Now we wait for La Russa to get behind the wheel of a car again.


5.) 07 Jul 2022 23:18:39
Hold those Ls my friend. (I know, it was a lot of them) .

Maybe pipe down on the White Sox criticism for a while - your team didn't even belong on the same field as them. By the end of it all, Kapler was helplessly deploying position players to pitch to save his already brutal bullpen. LMAO!


6.) 07 Jul 2022 23:19:12
Defending racism is apparently your thing. First Charles Johnson and now Josh Donaldson. Not a great look, but we know what to expect outta ole' Natedog at this point.


7.) 09 Jul 2022 00:07:39
I probably wouldn't criticize any manager when Tony La Russa is legitimately starting Leury Garcia and his 39 wRC+ on a nightly basis.

Just for emphasis: there were pitchers who hit better than that last year.

Again, your White Sox have LESS wins than the Baltimore Orioles at the midway point. This was the team you've deemed the "Los Angeles Dodgers of the American League" and projected to win 95 games.

They'll need to go 56-25, or .691 the rest of the way to get there. They'll need to go .567 just to win 85 games. Your Chicago "LA Dodgers" White Sox, everyone.

And to think, they also get the Royals and Tigers in that division to tee off on.


8.) 09 Jul 2022 00:18:04
And I've never once defended Charles Johnson. I've simply stated that Charles Johnson's "affiliation" with the team is literally just playing Mr. Money Bags.

His son, Greg, who is a staunch Democrat, has pointed out, multiple times, that Charles has almost no interaction with the team, its leadership, or even in decision making. He just makes the investment into the team, and that's where the relationship ends.

Meanwhile, the Chicago White Sox KNOWINGLY hid information about TLR's DUI arrest and hired him anyway. Their next hiring option was one of the masterminds of one of the biggest cheating scandals in baseball history. Really speaks to the morals of that team: it was going to be a drunk or a cheater.

Then, you had Tim Anderson who was literally suspended to start the season due to making physical contact with an official.

Then, he calls himself Jackie Robinson, and then thinks it's racist when someone else calls him Jackie Robinson in a mocking manner (that was 100% worthy of all the mockery, just like all of your outlandish White Sox takes) .

To call that racist makes you hilariously dumb. Frankly, I'm not the least bit surprised you bought the narrative.

Calling that racist is a literal affront to the countless racist incidents that ACTUALLY exist, and if you actually care about racism (you don't), you won't be dumb to stoop to this level.

But you're not interested in defending good morals or good people. You're literally defending a team who hired a drunk (and wanted to hire a cheater) . This is the White Sox for you.

And the longer you defend this, the longer it is that you're an objectively bad person.


9.) 09 Jul 2022 00:55:14
And just for comparison's sake, let's see how reflective their performance truly is:

Record vs. Pythagorean Record:

White Sox: .488 vs. .439
Giants: .506 vs. .527

Or translated more simply: Wins vs. PythW

White Sox: 39 vs. 35
Giants: 41 vs. 43

The White Sox are actually playing BETTER than they really are, by FOUR GAMES, while the Giants are under-performing.

In fact, the White Sox 35 PythWins are right there in line with the Rockies, Cubs, Reds and Diamondbacks.

The Giants are along the same lines as the Rays, Brewers and Mariners.

So you're right, the Giants and White Sox don't deserve to be on the same field. The White Sox belong on a AAA field, as that's how they are playing.


10.) 09 Jul 2022 01:21:23
"Already brutal bullpen"

Let's explore.

Giants bullpen, as a whole: 4.29 ERA, 3.78 FIP, 1.6 WAR, 11 Blown Saves.

White Sox bullpen, as a whole: 4.22 ERA, 3.89 FIP, 2.0 WAR, 13 Blown Saves.

I'm not sure the White Sox bullpen is THAT much better LMAOO.

But you've hit the point where you just say things and then hope and pray they'll be true later on. Seriously, did you bother looking at the White Sox bullpen stats?

Or is the season just that bad for you that you'd prefer not to look? I fully understand if that's the case. That window opened and shut awfully quick.


11.) 09 Jul 2022 02:38:09
I did some advanced analytics to compare the 2 teams:

Head to head matchups this year (wins) :

White Sox: 3
Giants: 0

You are big mad lol. They outscored them by 12 runs. You defend Donaldson for a blatantly racist comment and willing support Charles Johnson’s business, you can just admit you’re a little racist. Donaldson was suspended and Tim Anderson curb stomped Johnson’s sorry team, so the good guys won.

TA also didn’t call himself Jackie, he said he wanted to be a modern day Jackie in terms of bringing the game back to the black communities. He also didn’t make malicious contact with an umpire. The umpire grabbed him off of a pile of guys and he shoved him off not knowing who it was. I know you tend to not mind, but facts are important.

I just find it funny that the Sox ruined your 4th of July weekend. They showed no mercy on the fighting Charles Johnson’s.

While you’re frustrated, you may not want to compare Ruf and Abreu’s stats from this year. It’ll put you truly over the edge.


12.) 10 Jul 2022 12:33:36
Hey man, I'll let you take the W versus the Giants. That's fine.

If it means you can rest easy having a worse record than the Baltimore Orioles, Seattle Mariners, and two (2) other teams in your own division mid-way through the season (one of those teams finished last in the AL Central last year), then I should probably play nice.

As far as this whole Tim "Jussie" Anderson thing is concerned: it ended in a suspension, you're right. A one game suspension. If there was "blatant racism" involved here, MLB would have dropped the hammer. They had to do SOMETHING, so they gave Donaldson a penalty that would satisfy the masses . His own teammates acknowledged it was a mistake not due to racism, but due to the history between Donaldson and Anderson that was already tense.

And for the last time, I haven't "supported" Charles Johnson and his "racism" any more than you continuously support Reinsdorf and his hiding a DUI prior to hiring TLR.

Again, THE WHITE SOX WERE EITHER HIRING A MAN WITH MULTIPLE DUIs OR THE MASTERMIND OF A MASSIVE CHEATING SCANDAL.

Those were what they narrowed it down to. Unsurprisingly, they hired the criminal.

And completely unlike the Giants, the "bad guys" in these situations have direct influence and decision-making in the team and its operations.

Charles Johnson doesn't, and hasn't for several years now. Larry Baer and Greg Johnson have taken care of that. If Charles Johnson did have a say, do you think Gabe Kapler would still have a job after his decision to not join the team for the anthem (a decision I support FWIW)? Hint: he would not. Do you think they'd hire the first Muslim president of baseball operations? Hint: they would not. Or the first woman coach? Hint: they would not.

Charles Johnson literally isn't making any decisions. He hasn't had a say in what happens with the San Francisco Giants or Franklin Resources since 2013.

For someone who wants to accuse someone of not minding the facts, you sure do love to ignore these details.

Again, for recap: the White Sox legitimately knew about La Russa's DUI arrest (not his first one) and decided to hire him anyway. Their second choice was the guy who led a team to an illegitimate WS win by using trash cans and cameras to cheat.

The Giants on the other hand, have a senile 89-year-old principal owner who isn't involved with the team in any capacity beyond his main investment who makes extremely unfortunate campaign donations.

For what it's worth, Charles Johnson hasn't put up any significant money for the Giants in over 15 years. None of their owners have needed to, as three World Series victories, owning their stadium outright (as well as high-end real estate surrounding the stadium) and the marketability of their team does the work for them.

If you think the Giants are the bad guys here, you simply aren't willing to think objectively.

Denounce Reinsdorf, Kenny Williams, Rick Hahn, and Tony La Russa, as each of them continually play a role in propping up TLR as the leader of the White Sox (Hahn had multiple chances to denounce TLR and has yet to do so, so please, spare us of the "it wasn't his decision" nonsense), and then you can proceed your hand-wringing over the objectively better baseball franchise.


13.) 10 Jul 2022 23:25:46
You seem to think that an owner can hire a coach and then a GM can proceed to denounce the hire without complete organizational turmoil. You’re completely naive. Hahn can’t reasonably denounce TLR. It would put his players in an impossible position.

All you can go off of is what’s public knowledge. We don’t need you to pretend that you’re privy to the daily conversations of Charles Johnson, and what exactly he has say over. You also apparently know how every dollar of the Giants is spent, so that’s fascinating. If Baer didn’t want to associate with Johnson, he doesn’t have to or could simply buy him out. But he clearly doesn’t care enough to make a change. If your logic is that Rick Hahn can do something about Jerry Reinsdorf (which is complete nonsense), then Larry Baer can certainly do something about his co-owner.

Them hiring minority execs and one female coach is the equivalent of a racist saying “ but I have black friends! ” He’s the principal owner of the team you support and defend on a daily basis. It’s his company. Any major decision is cleared by him because he literally has the largest stake in the team. It’s how it in everything company in the country is run. But sure, tell me how the Giants are conveniently different. Principally owner is principal owner.

Reinsdorf was wrong for hiring TLR, both for the moral & baseball reasons - but I can at least say he’s not a proud racist, no matter what his influence is in day-to-day operations.

Think about it, Nate. Donaldson could have resorted to various other digs towards TA (e. g., the Sox are sub-.500, TA was leading MLB in errors, etc. ), but we’re supposed to believe the Donaldson recounting a complete non-story from 3 years ago where TA talked about his impact on MLB as a black man didn’t have racial motivation? You’re insane if you think that.

MLB handed him a suspension to “satisfy” the masses because the masses know that Donaldson was being a racist jackass. The good guys won then too - the Sox swept a double header from the Yankees the next day & TA’s an all-star starter. Donaldson has been hated pretty much everywhere he’s been - 6 teams in 11 years is telling. You defending Donaldson here is the least surprising thing all season.


14.) 11 Jul 2022 14:06:14
Are we just conveniently ignoring the FACT that La Russa literally suggested black players should sit in the clubhouse instead of kneeling for the anthem?

Not only that, he literally went out of his way, in that Dan Le Betard interview, to attack Adam Jones for highlighting racism within baseball. He called Colin Kaepernick "insincere. "

But as you know, he's totally moved on from those antiquated stances (from 2016) and no longer believes any of it. That shift in belief certainly wouldn't be merely convenient denial because he already had enough to worry about (i. e. his DUI arrest), could it? Nah, people never hide their true feelings for the sake of their jobs?

Oh wait, you just said that Rick Hahn did! Man, Hahn didn't once speak out about how his owner railroaded him, how his owner hired a drunk as the manager, or how his new manager has public comments about black players that are extremely concerning?

He didn't say this because it was his job and he's scared of the owner? That's your defense of him? Who cares if your manager is a racist, drunk buffoon, you have a job to keep, so be quiet!

Man, it must be par for the course for leaders and team personnel to not question the owners! Oh wait, you're telling me Gabe Kapler, Farhan Zaidi and Larry Baer have all questioned Charles Johnson and made very public comments about him?

Why ever would they do that? (Probably because Johnson has no day-to-day influence and has no seat at the table for decision-making for the Giants anymore) . But I was under the impression that every person was to be as limp-wristed as Rick Hahn.

After all, ALL of baseball is trying to emulate him! (Is Ricky secretly the one telling TLR to play Leury Garcia every day? )

So all of baseball should then just sit down and shut up when their boss hires a multiple-offender DUI arrestee and a man who has deeply concerning comments in regards to minorities in baseball. After all, they all clearly want to be him!

Man, what a joke this has become.


15.) 11 Jul 2022 16:57:16
"Oh wait, you're telling me Gabe Kapler, Farhan Zaidi and Larry Baer have all questioned Charles Johnson and made very public comments about him? "

So why don't they simply get him out of there? Show me exactly where Kapler, Zaidi and the rest of the Giants ownership group called C. Johnson a proud racist. Johnson spoke on his issues, pledged to not donate, and then proceed to MAX OUT his donations to these groups that eventually helped fund January 6th. These are not "unfortunate donations", these are awful human beings. Charles Johnson owns a company that you choose to still support, Nate. He still signs all of the checks and gives his final stamp of approval on everything, or else he wouldn't be the principal owner of an MLB team. I don't care about his involvement in day-to-day baseball operations.

Now, you don't support Johnson personally (and I don't support La Russa - albeit a DUI arrest where no one was hurt is not close to Johnson's issues, but I digress), but you will bring up TLR's hire as a stain on Hahn's resume as if he had any control over that decision. It's clear that he never wanted Tony from what we can see and it's why the front office is now (likely) leaking reports to the media saying that the White Sox clubhouse is not in great shape - they want to make sure that Jerry realizes his mistake so that TLR is not back next year.

Also, many believe that it was someone in the White Sox front office that surfaced the Arizona police report to get rid of him before this even started. The team was so ready to hire Hinch that the Twitter graphic had A. J. Hinch's signature on the graphic by mistake. I would have preferred Hinch to La Russa, but I didn't like the idea of Hinch in general. But in reality, if you are going to condemn every team that has since picked up someone involved in the Astros cheating scandal, you are going to have to start condemning A LOT of teams.

You have a very naïve understanding of how any basic organizational hierarchy works. The GM can be the best baseball mind on the planet and if the owner thinks differently and is stubborn enough to not trust he people he's hired to run the baseball side (i. e., Jerry Reinsdorf), then the owner is going to get what he wants - plain and simple, and the same goes for the Giants if they were in the same circumstance. It's the same thing with every company in America, but somehow it's still "limp-wristed Rick Hahn" not doing enough. Give me a break.

"Probably because Johnson has no day-to-day influence and has no seat at the table for decision-making for the Giants anymore"

This is your perception of the Giants front office. You pretending to have an acute understanding of the Giants daily inner-workings is fun tho. Natedog, our cute little pretend Giants insider.

"He didn't say this because it was his job and he's scared of the owner? That's your defense of him? Who cares if your manager is a racist, drunk buffoon, you have a job to keep, so be quiet! "

You say this like it's false. Hahn can condemn one of the winningest owners in the history of pro sports, or he can try to put of the fire of TLR as best as possible for hopefully 2 seasons and then move on once Jerry gets the regret of firing La Russa in the 80s off his chest. It's a dumb org, but it's the reality of the situation.


16.) 28 Jul 2022 16:16:03
"This is your perception of the Giants front office. You pretending to have an acute understanding of the Giants daily inner-workings is fun tho. Natedog, our cute little pretend Giants insider. "

It's not like I'm privy to some trade secret. Johnson is 89. He's not involved in the day-to-day operations of ANY of the companies he owns. Not at Franklin Resources, nor with the San Francisco Giants. This has been pretty open info to just about anyone, and when all the dumb donations became news stories, that point was made even more clear.

"He still signs all of the checks and gives his final stamp of approval on everything, or else he wouldn't be the principal owner of an MLB team. "

No, he doesn't. Greg Johnson and Larry Baer are in charge of those things. Johnson acts as chairman for the team while Larry Baer acts as CEO. I'm sure Charles Johnson is informed on what decisions are being made, but he handed over the reins to his son years ago.

Meanwhile, the White Sox have an owner who WILLINGLY hired a manager with not one, but TWO DUI arrests on his record, and apparently runs an organization where no one is allowed to question him, or so says Chi Sox.

If Rick Hahn felt it was so bad, and he didn't like being railroaded by his owner, he should have quit and found a new job. According to your perception of him, it wouldn't have been difficult. He's a trailblazer and the greatest executive in American Sports History, so every team would have fired their guy to hire him!

And yet, he stuck around with a mediocre baseball club that employs a drunk, out-of-touch old man who is tearing at the clubhouse morale day by day.

Something tells be that either a) Rick Hahn isn't as desired of a baseball mind as you've built him up to be or b) his moral compass isn't as true north as you believe it to be. I'm actually going to go with "both", but I'm sure you'll disagree with me.

I mean, after all, how is it that so many GMs and PBOs (president of baseball ops) are able to get ownership's blessings to have final say on decisions, such as who the manager will be, but not Rick Hahn? Maybe some of that has to do with Reinsdorf, but so much of that falls on Hahn as well.

And again, Hahn's pick was A. J. Hinch. So that should tell you something about ol' Ricky's moral compass right there. He was hoping to sign the cheater.


17.) 30 Jul 2022 03:39:07
And just like that, Tim Anderson makes contact with another umpire. He simply can't help himself.

It's almost like the White Sox enjoy having low character individuals around their team. Such a modern-day "Jackie Robinson" LMAO. He's an embarrassment.


18.) 01 Aug 2022 15:33:23
Nate, just admit you're a racist and let's move on. Calling TA low-character because he got ejected for arguing a call in a baseball game is very telling. He got in an ump's face and you'd think he killed someone.

Anderson's fWAR is 14.0 since the start of 2019. That embarrassment is FIVE WINS BETTER than your team's best player over that span. LMAO.

The Sox employ guys like Tim Anderson - the guys trying to bring baseball prominence into this country's black communities. The Giants employ Aubrey Huffs for 4 years - A favorite of Charles Johnson.

The embarrassment is you my friend.


19.) 02 Aug 2022 21:17:26
The Giants won't even let Aubrey Huff inside of Oracle Park LMAOOOOOO.

Meanwhile, the White Sox just traded for a major MAGA reliever (Jake Diekman. I played Legion Ball with him in HS) and let Tony La Russa MANAGE their team.


20.) 05 Aug 2022 16:47:44
MAGA? The Giants have made Brandon Crawford and Brandon Belt lifetime players, lmao. Save it. The Giants lead the league in MAGAs.


21.) 07 Aug 2022 11:56:33
Brandon Crawford is MAGA? What gives you that indication?

Jake Diekman has made no secrets to his political leanings. Nor has his wife, Former Miss Nebraska. Trust me, I'm more familiar with the Nebraska baseball scene than you'll ever be. I played with Jake Diekman. I played with Joba Chamberlain. I played against Darin Ruf and even Alex Gordon.

I can confidently tell you that Jake Diekman is closer to the awful, terrible Charles Johnson than you'd prefer.

But you're literally talking out of your you-know-where about Crawford's political leanings LOL.


22.) 07 Aug 2022 12:08:08
Now, to be completely honest, I don't care how people vote. I dropped the MAGA card because you've invested so much hand-wringing over Charles Johnson, I thought I'd inform you about the "awful person" the White Sox just acquired! (Diekman is an incredibly nice guy, for what it's worth. )

I'd reckon that MOST baseball teams have a significant amount of hardcore Republicans, especially considering the culture of baseball and where a lot of these dudes come from.

But if you want to talk about the Giants and their current (and past) stars, they have a lot of left-leaning guys. a LOT:

Yaz, Dominic Leone, Curt Casali (now traded), Brebbia, Austin Slater (whose grandfather was the mayor of Jacksonville), Logan Webb, Joc Pederson. Not to mention previous stars like Tim Lincecum, Hunter Pence, and Matt Cain, just to name a few.

Every team has guys from all across the political spectrum. Only an immature child is concerned about the fact that Republicans (or Democrats) exist on a team.

After all, don't the White Sox have two prominent players who are proudly anti-c.v. vax? How dare they employ people with that political affiliation!


23.) 07 Aug 2022 23:05:09
*Literally brings up that the Sox traded for a supposed right-leaning relief pitcher*

"Only an immature child is concerned about the fact that Republicans (or Democrats) exist on a team. "

Ok dude.


24.) 08 Aug 2022 14:24:31
Bruh, do you not realize it was YOU who made a big stink about Charles Johnson, a non-involved, geriatric billionaire's political leanings? You pretended like it made this massive stain on the San Francisco Giants' organization.

I was merely pointing out to you that the Chicago White Sox have a relief pitcher who has the EXACT SAME political leanings as Charles Johnson. The only difference is: Jake Diekman actually has involvement with the White Sox organization. He plays for them.

Yes, you'll have to root for him. I repeat: you are now rooting for a player who supports MAGA and QANON politicians.

I'm just trying to help you be consistent. Something you have really struggled to do around this site!


25.) 08 Aug 2022 14:26:07
And speaking of Tim Anderson. he's currently serving his THIRD suspension in 2022.

Let's perhaps quit treating him like he's some victim or pretending he's a good person. No one serves three suspensions in a season and remains a good human being.

The White Sox just love their low-character players.


26.) 08 Aug 2022 14:48:06
LOL at you being unable to see what I was pointing out.

If Charles Johnson, a senile, uninvolved billionaire's politics put a huge stain on the San Francisco Giants, doesn't Jake Diekman, who has the exact same political leanings put a huge stain on the Chicago White Sox, who already hired a criminal as their manager?

If you're seeking to be consistent, you should be upset that the White Sox would go out of their way to acquire Jake Diekman, who hasn't exactly hidden what he believes about politics. After all, it's gonna be difficult to root for the White Sox without directly rooting for Diekman's success.

That was my point. I literally don't care how people vote. But you seem very worked up over how Charles Johnson votes. So I think you should know about how Diekman votes. Because it's the exact same way as Charles Johnson.


 

 

04 Apr 2022 13:02:39
RIP to the White Sox giving up a "Top 5 RP" and future Hall of Famer for AJ Pollock, losing Lance Lynn and Garrett Crochet, all in the same day.

Can someone do a wellness check on Chi Sox? I just don't want him to become Tony La Russa or Michael Kopech all of a sudden.

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1.) 05 Apr 2022 18:13:09
Gotta give Hahn credit for netting a guy coming off a 137 wRC+ season for a "completely washed" (according to you) RP like Kimbrel.

But let me guess, Kimbrel is good now? One of the top orgs in baseball just dealt for him. The Sox ate none of his contract and saved $ in the process.

Masterclass.

Glad you're still constantly thinking about me, Nathan.


2.) 05 Apr 2022 18:31:45
"The White Sox will have to attach a pretty intriguing prospect just to clear the salary. "

"The White Sox gave up Heuer and Madrigal for Kimbrel AND picked up his $16M option. But here you are, thinking the White Sox are on par with the Dodgers! LOLOLOLOL. "

"If you don't think teams make decisions on small sample sizes, then you truly aren't paying attention. "

"But yeah, maybe there's a GM out there dumber than Rick Hahn right now who'll give up something--ANYTHING--for Craig Kimbrel, but I seriously doubt it. "

"Again, you know it's bad when the exact idea he came up was mocked openly by Mike Petriello on Twitter, along with other baseball guys. "

Safe to say these all aged pretty poorly for ole Natedog. Like clockwork.


3.) 06 Apr 2022 14:06:16
I was just making sure that you didn't quit this site like Michael Kopech quit 2020. So I'm glad you're okay.

And for what it's worth, the White Sox, impressively, won that trade. If Pollock can stay healthy (that's a big IF) getting him while unloading Craig Kimbrel, who gave up 7 runs to AAA players in Spring, will look really good.

Sure, it puts Kyle Crick in the Sox's bullpen instead of Kimbrel, but then again, I think that's probably a wash.

In the meantime, enjoy running on the gloating tour. It might be the only positive experience of your baseball season. The fun will likely end when Darin Ruf has a better season than Jose Abreu for a second season in a row.


4.) 06 Apr 2022 15:50:21
While we're at it, I LOL'd today looking back at your lengthy predictions. 8 for 84, a solid 9.5%.

Meanwhile, I got 12 just in the top 50 alone and sit proudly in MLBTR's top 25.

Or do you want me to bring up the trade where the D'Backs get Justin Upton and his 28M salary while the White Sox shed Keuchel's salary AND get Ketel Marte?

Good news for the Diamondbacks: they can just get their mans without giving up Marte!

You seem to gloat here, but you ignore how hilariously terrible some of the trades you've made on here were. And to think, you spent MULTIPLE comments defending that awful idea.

Also, if we want to talk about things that aged well, can your infamous "the White Sox are on par with the Dodgers" take count here? I think it absolutely should.

Or what about the fact that the Giants were 5-6 years away from contention (they led the league in wins last season, and had 103 pythagorean wins, but you don't need reminded of this)? Or where you said Zaidi would be lucky to accomplish 75% of what Hahn has done.

In just three years, the Giants have more wins than the "on-par-with-the-Dodgers" White Sox. Yes, the team 5-6 years away from contention has more wins during Zaidi's tenure, a rebuilding club, than the Chi Sox-proclaimed "preeminent AL club. "

He's done this while bringing up exactly one top prospect: Logan Webb. He'll add another with Joey Bart, and the young players will just keep coming.

Yes, he won 13 more games in 3 seasons than Rick Hahn's Dodgers, ahem, White Sox, with a lineup containing Brandon Belt, Evan Longoria, Darin Ruf, Donovan Solano, and finding nobodies like Mike Yastrzemski and LaMonte Wade, Jr.

In just 3 years into his tenure, Farhan Zaidi has the Giants contending for WS titles and his most expensive FA signing was Carlos Rodon on a 2-year deal.

But please, remind me of your take about Zaidi? For good measure, I'll help you out: The Giants are multiple years away from contention.

How'd that prediction go? It went poorly. It was the worst-aged prediction I've seen on this here website. And the bar was pretty high, especially out of the content you have graced us with.


5.) 06 Apr 2022 16:34:43
You were just as high on the 2021 Giants as I was, Nathan. This is not a victory lap for you, bud.

I already conceded that I underestimated how quickly they could turn around their team. No one expected them to get career years from their entire team last year.

We'll see if they can do that again, but it's a very good org top to bottom.

Also, if Crick and Velasquez were signed by SF, you'd be telling me to stay tuned for their breakout. Crick gave up 1 hit and 2 walks in 7 innings this spring. They're low risk dart throws with high upside, and you're acting like it's a bad thing?

Finally, I, for one, am extremely excited for Dain Ruf's 2022 MVP campaign to commence now that he should see more regular ABs in 2022.


6.) 07 Apr 2022 13:05:11
"You were just as high on the 2021 Giants as I was, Nathan. This is not a victory lap for you, bud. "

Not that I expect you to own up to the most impressively inaccurate take this website has ever seen, but maybe at least don't acknowledge the point if you refuse to own it?

We're not talking our predictions on the '21 Giants. We're talking about your level of confidence regarding the Giants. That they were a half-decade from contending. That they'd be lucky to accomplish 75% of what Rick Hahn has done (never mind them exceeding it already) .

Just acknowledge how hilariously bad your take on the Giants was. It's really simple.


7.) 07 Apr 2022 15:21:10
Surely they won a playoff series last season with how much better they've done.


8.) 07 Apr 2022 17:21:03
Yes, because Rick Hahn's White Sox teams have done so well in that department.

Let that sink in: the guy whose success Farhan would be lucky to accomplish even 75% of hasn't made it once out of the first round, despite being the GM everyone is clearly trying to emulate.

And ironically, in 3 years, Farhan has matched Rick Hahn's career playoff win totals. Absolutely remarkable how that works.


9.) 08 Apr 2022 00:10:31
I said: "I already conceded that I underestimated how quickly they could turn around their team. "

Then you said "Just acknowledge how hilariously bad your take on the Giants was. "

Make it make sense

Zaidi still hasn't built a sustainable roster in SF yet however. He has to prove that last year wasn't a flash in the pan. They replaced Posey with Bart and Bryant with Pederson. Not great for the lineup.

Belt, Crawford and Longoria may not have career years again. It's actually extremely likely that they don't. They really don't have a single game changing hitter in their lineup (No, Darin Ruf doesn't count) . They have ONE hitter projected to have a wRC+ over 110 (Belt) . This is tied with the Dbacks, Orioles, Pirates, Cubs, A's (LOL, great company) for the 2nd worst in baseball (only the Tigers have zero) . For reference, the White Sox and Blue Jays have 6 and the Dodgers have 7. No one else is higher than 5. We're talking about two massively different tiers here based on the best projections available. The Giants could legitimately have one hitter slug over .450.

And before you ho-hum projections in general, it's literally math my man. No need to get upset.

Their biggest FA signing has only pitched 173 innings over the last THREE seasons with a history of recurring shoulder and elbow issues. Acting like Zaidi has the same kind of roster as Hahn in Chicago is laughable. Zaidi deserves credit for piecing together last year's masterpiece, but acting like they are going to stroll to 90 wins again isn't wise IMO, but we're allowed to give him the benefit of the doubt after last year.


10.) 18 Apr 2022 15:15:56
"And before you ho-hum projections in general, it's literally math my man. No need to get upset. "

No, it's theory. And considering the projections were wrong at nearly every projection for the Giants in 2021, maybe they aren't as accurate as you're suggesting?

I mean, ZiPS was off by 30+ wins. They were 2.0 or more WAR UNDER on Crawford, Posey, Ruf, Webb, Gausman, DeSclafani, and Duggar and 1.5 WAR UNDER on Wade and Belt. That's 9 players. The next team to have that many misses for ZiPS was 5, and it was the Brewers.

For what it's worth, just two (2) players had projections 1.0 WAR or more OVER their actual performance: Yastrzemski and Dubon. That's also the lowest amount of any team last year.

So excuse me when I look at ZiPS projections and see the same make similar ZiPS projections two seasons in a row on the same players. But surely, ZiPS is gospel truth that can't be disputed, now can it?

Surely they weren't so historically off that Dan Szymborski should be laughed out of any room he walks into, right?

MLB front offices are clearly rejecting these projection systems, and it's evidenced by how they are spending their money and the roster decisions they are making. Maybe it's time that fans do as well?


11.) 18 Apr 2022 16:04:02
"They have ONE hitter projected to have a wRC+ over 110"

Ahh yes. The team that had EIGHT (8) from last year and brought back 6 of those players, they'll have just TWO in 2022?

Seriously, do you even bother looking up anything before you type it, or do you just run with it because it sounds good? And if you still, after all these years, think that ZiPS is a remotely decent projection system, especially after they were so historically off in 2021 for one team in particular that it was almost contemptuous, I really don't have much belief you'll continue to operate in good faith in these discussions.

No front office in baseball is even the slightest bit focused on ZiPS or any of the publicly available projection systems. In fact, I'd contend, simply by the way they operate, that teams have written off Szymborski's system altogether.


12.) 21 Apr 2022 06:15:43
Could you show me where I said I was referencing ZiPS?


13.) 19 May 2022 14:14:18
Nearly a quarter way through the season, let's check in on how things are going:

White Sox players over 110 wRC+ (min. 50 PAs) : 3.
Giants players over 110 wRC+: 7.

I was so confidently told that it was "just math". Your math sure seems to be wrong an awful lot, now doesn't it?


 

 

16 Mar 2022 02:23:19
Projected MLB Standings:

AL East
Toronto- 93-69
Tampa Bay- 89-73
New York- 87-75
Boston- 81-81
Baltimore- 60-102

AL Central
Chicago- 90-72
Cleveland- 82-80
Detroit- 79-83
Minnesota- 75-87
Kansas City- 72-90

AL West
Houston- 92-70
Seattle 89-73
Los Angeles- 88-74
Texs- 77-85
Oakland- 61-101

NL East
New York- 94-68
Atlanta- 87-75
Philadelphia- 79-83
Miami- 75-87
Washington- 70-92

NL Central
St. Louis- 97-65
Milwaukee- 93-69
Chicago- 77-85
Cincinnati- 70-92
Pittsburgh- 58-104

NL West
Los Angeles- 99-63
San Francisco- 90-72
San Diego- 84-78
Colorado-74-88
Arizona- 68-94

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06 Apr 2022 21:36:07
LOL. That group hit a combined 135 wRC+ and .371 wOBA, along with 78 HR (19 per hitter) on an .874 OPS.

So yeah, they probably should be. Because that's really damn good.

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06 Apr 2022 14:23:58
While we're at it, if there's ever been a fit for the White Sox, Kyle Crick is it.

Losing your season because you broke your hand fighting a teammate? Between him and Tim Anderson's violence issues, Reese McGuire's perversion, and Tony La Russa's substance-abuse issues, the White Sox sure do know how to pick 'em.

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06 Apr 2022 14:01:51
Well, if all else fails, I can pull the old "bUt ThE iNjUrIeS" excuse like White Sox fans did last year (and likely will this year) .

But hey, look at your team, they are going to have Vince Velasquez start games. Good thing you've got that deep bullpen and offense. 8-0 deficits after the 3rd inning may be tough to overcome.

Wade will be back in the lineup as early as next week, and La Stella as well (he may be okay for Opening Day, at least off the bench) . And in the meantime, the Giants run Estrada/ Flores in the infield and Joc Pederson as Slater's platoon partner? That's not a bad thing.

This is what you get when you build tremendous depth all around the field.

Meanwhile, the White Sox's depth includes Vince Velasquez and Dallas Keuchel in the starting rotation and Kyle Crick in the bullpen LOL.

But I look forward to the excuses when you're using Reese "Choking the Chicken" McGuire as the starting catcher by mid-May.

The Twins and Tigers got better. The White Sox have Vince Velasquez as a starting pitcher. Should be comical to watch.

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04 Apr 2022 15:09:34
"Very true, I forgot to factor in the Farhan Zaidi fairy dust effect. "

Darin Ruf. Check.
Mike Yastrzemski. Check.
LaMonte Wade Jr. Check.
Donovan Solano. Check.
Thairo Estrada. Check.
Tyler Rogers. Check.
Zack Littell. Check.
Kevin Gausman. Check.
Drew Smyly. Check.
Dominic Leone. Check.

If you don't think that Zaidi could have found a way to fix Craig Kimbrel's issues, then you're being ridiculous. There's a reason pitchers are nearly busting down doors trying to play in San Francisco.

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14 Mar 2022 18:23:28
The Rays are most likely wanting to get out from that money, not just reinvest it into an overpriced, overrated relief pitcher.

The Rays don't exactly *need* Craig Kimbrel, so taking on more or equal money for him wouldn't even make sense.

(Also, your regular reminder that Craig Kimbrel is simply not a good pitcher anymore. )

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07 Sep 2022 15:00:42
LOL. It's comical that you highlight Diekman's K numbers, but conveniently ignore the fact that he's among the worst in baseball when it comes to walking batters and giving up home runs.

As far as the trade in the OP goes, since the trade:

Darin Ruf- 29 wRC+
J. D. Dav9s- 141 wRC+

Meanwhile,

Reese McGuire- 0.7 WAR (140 wRC+)
Jake Diekman- -0.1 WAR (5.23 ERA)

Let's take it one more step:

Since the trade deadline:

Yasmani Grandal- 104 wRC+, .314 wOBA (61 PAs)
Seby Zavala- 110 wRC+. .321 wOBA (64 PAs)
Reese McGuire- 140 wRC+, .370 wOBA (66 PAs)

That catcher they were "going to DFA otherwise" would be their best offensive catcher by leaps and bounds since the deadline. They traded him for one of the worst relievers in baseball.

Your 2020 Executive of the Year Runner-Up, everyone.

But hey, it's a good thing the White Sox play in a laughingstock of a baseball division. They might have a chance to still win it! Any other division, they'd be at least 12 games back. But not the AL Central. They are just 3 games back LMAOOOO.

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08 Aug 2022 14:48:06
LOL at you being unable to see what I was pointing out.

If Charles Johnson, a senile, uninvolved billionaire's politics put a huge stain on the San Francisco Giants, doesn't Jake Diekman, who has the exact same political leanings put a huge stain on the Chicago White Sox, who already hired a criminal as their manager?

If you're seeking to be consistent, you should be upset that the White Sox would go out of their way to acquire Jake Diekman, who hasn't exactly hidden what he believes about politics. After all, it's gonna be difficult to root for the White Sox without directly rooting for Diekman's success.

That was my point. I literally don't care how people vote. But you seem very worked up over how Charles Johnson votes. So I think you should know about how Diekman votes. Because it's the exact same way as Charles Johnson.

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08 Aug 2022 14:29:58
"Going down to a more logical 100 PA qualifier, the Sox have 7 hitter above 110, with the Giants still at 6. Nice trick there! "

Wait, so you're acknowledging that the Giants have more than one hitter above 110?

Good to know LOL.

(Not to mention, it was YOUR claim. You didn't specify a minimum PA threshold. )

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08 Aug 2022 14:26:07
And speaking of Tim Anderson. he's currently serving his THIRD suspension in 2022.

Let's perhaps quit treating him like he's some victim or pretending he's a good person. No one serves three suspensions in a season and remains a good human being.

The White Sox just love their low-character players.

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08 Aug 2022 14:24:31
Bruh, do you not realize it was YOU who made a big stink about Charles Johnson, a non-involved, geriatric billionaire's political leanings? You pretended like it made this massive stain on the San Francisco Giants' organization.

I was merely pointing out to you that the Chicago White Sox have a relief pitcher who has the EXACT SAME political leanings as Charles Johnson. The only difference is: Jake Diekman actually has involvement with the White Sox organization. He plays for them.

Yes, you'll have to root for him. I repeat: you are now rooting for a player who supports MAGA and QANON politicians.

I'm just trying to help you be consistent. Something you have really struggled to do around this site!

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