25 Dec 2015 17:50:41
im an angels fan but grew up a tigers fan and so i still follow them. they have done a great job this offseason and i feel they can do much more with a few trades and signings

(trade 1)
tigers gets: 3b a. beltre
rangers gets: sp a. kubitza (#7) + rp d. verhagen + c b. holaday + of t. collins

tigers add a veteran hitter that can be an upgrade at third over castellanos could and has a funny history with miggy so that can improve the clubhouse

rangers add 4 young players that can contribute in 2016, kubitza can be a backend starter and potentially pitch against his brother who is a third basemen for the angels, verhagen showed in 2015 that he can pitch well out of the bullpen, holaday can have more playing time with the rangers then the tigers and collins could also get more time and get some at bats when choo and hamilton are sitting out. plus all 4 of these players are from texas
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(trade 2)
tigers gets:
bal = 2b j. schoop + '16 competitive balance lottery round b pick (5th)
lad = sp z. lee (19) + if k. farmer (#19) + of d. fields
orioles gets:
lad = of y. puig
det = 2b i. kinsler
dodgers gets:
det = sp a. sanchez
lad = rp m. givens (#6) + of d. stewert (#3)

tigers add a younger 2b who has a strong arm so a combo of him machado and iglesias at 2b/ss would make the tigers happy, they add a draft pick (these can be traded but only once) so they could sign a big free agent again and lose their 3rd round pick due to signing whomever (they gave up their 2nd rounder for signing zimmermann), then they also get a former top prospect in lee who still can be effective, farmer can be a useful utility player in the next few years (perhaps similar to brandon inge but better hitter) and fields returns to the tigers which he still has minor league options but was just outrighted off the roster

orioles add puig who can bolster the loss of davis (which i don't see him going back) and they also get kinsler who can also help the infield with walker taking over at first (hardy and kinsler are both from tucson. i think)

dodgers add the starter they need since grienke is gone and iwakuma ended not coming to the dodgers and he can be put in at the 2nd starter, givens can be a closer and gives the dodgers a cheaper and younger alternative then chapman since he could not be going to the dodgers and stewert who is a power hitting prospect who can play right away
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(trade 3)
tigers gets:
sea = rp a. moore (#11) + if d. jackson (#22)
sd = sp l. allen (#19) + '16 competitive balence lottery round b pick (1st)
mariners gets:
sd = sp j. shields
det = dh v. martinez
padres gets:
det = 3b n. castellanos
sea = sp e. diaz (#4) + rp d. rollins (#24) + if t. smith (#23)

tigers add a pitcher who has good command and can help in 2016, jackson who is a speedy and good fielder for the future, allen who (like jackson) was drafted this past year and has played well to move up in baseball quickly and also another pick that can be helpful for signing a top free agent

mariners add a #2 starter thay can help bolster the rotation that already has hernandez, walker, iwakuma and paxton plus they add a dh who can also play first since they traded morrison and trumbo

padres add castellanos who can help at third and the 3 prospects from the mariners can help the padres farm system that was basically almost stripped cause of the big trades they did last offseason
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(free agency) (*minor league deal with 5/14/16 opt out and heavy incentives)
- sp johan santana*
1 year $2.5 million + $2.5 million incentives + $5.0 million club option for 2nd year
- sp mike minor*
1 year $5.0 million + $2.5 million incentives + $10.0 million club option for 2nd year
- rp matt thornton*
1 year $2.0 million + $3.0 million club option for 2nd year
- rp neftali feliz
1 year $4.0 million + $1.0 million buyout on a $6.00 million club option for 2nd year
- rp sueng hwan oh
3 year $20.0 million + $5.0 million mutual option for 4th year
- rp greg holland
2 year $10.0 million + $10.0 million club option for 2nd year (heavily backloaded contract)
- c jordan pacheco*
1 year $1.0 million + $1.5 million club option for 2nd year
- if chris davis
6 year $125.0 million + $25.0 million club option for 7th year or $25.0 million deferred for 10 years
- if kelly johnson*
1 year $2.0 million + $3.0 million club option for 2nd year
- of guillermo heredia*
1 year $1.0 million + $1.5 million club option for 2nd year
- of dominic brown
1 year $4.0 million + $6.0 million vesting option for 2nd year
- of lazaro armenteros
8 year $40.0 million + $10.0 million club option for 9th year

most of these are low risk signings but players like santana, minor, feliz, oh, holland, brown, davis and armenteros are the higher reward signings

santana can be effective if he's 100%, minor can also be effective and be in the rotation, feliz was good in his last few games and he's still young so he still has potential, oh can be really good and be like uehara but throw harder, holland will make only $2.5 million in the first year since he's out for the year and then it would be $7.5 million next year with a $10.0 million player option, brown would be a low risk signing and can be effective and also be a better choice then cespedes, gordon or upton and davis would be the power bat they would be looking for and then armenteros is only 16 years old but he is already getting comparisons to bo jackson and willie mays with plus speed, plus power and plus fielding so he can be the future star for the tigers when miggy is gone
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c: j. mccann
1b: m. cabrera / c. davis
2b: j. schoop / d. machado
ss: j. iglesias
3b: a. beltre
lf: d. brown / c. maybin
cf: a. gose
rf: j. martinez
dh: c. davis / m. cabrera

c: j. saltalamacchia
if: d. machado / j. schoop
of: d. brown / a. gose
u: m. aviles

sp1: j. zimmermann
sp2: j. verlander
sp3: d. norris
sp4: j. santana / m. minor
sp5: m. pelfrey

lr: m. fulmer / z. lee / s. greene / m. boyd
mr1: b. hardy / a. moore / j. jimenez
mr2: n. feliz / s. oh
mr3: a. wilson
su1: m. lowe
su2: j. wilson
cl: f. rodriguez

1) cf a. gose
2) 2b j. schoop / d. machado
3) 1b/dh m. cabrera
4) 1b/dh c. davis
5) rf j. martinez
6) 3b a. beltre
7) lf d. brown / c. maybin
8) c j. mccann
9) ss j. iglesias.

1.) 25 Dec 2015
25 Dec 2015 17:56:21
Mariners don't need another starter.

2.) 25 Dec 2015
25 Dec 2015 18:05:57
Way to much going on here. And they won't spend all that money either.

3.) 26 Dec 2015
26 Dec 2015 05:23:57
they give up money (kinsler, sanchez and martinez) so spending all of that is not out of the question with getting rid of those 3 contracts. recieving beltre would kind of eliminate martinez's annual contract in 2016 and they can afford all of the deals i came up with cause beltre is a free agent after 2016 and the young players don't make $5,000,000 combined which is half of kinsler's deal in 2016

so yes, they can afford it

as for the mariners not needing another starter, having shields into the rotation, is not a bad idea, they are in a division that had the angels get better, the astros are better, the rangers are talented and the a's are usually good with pitching and isn't bad either

their rotation would be:

1) hernandez (hernandez)
2) shields (iwakuma)
3) iwakuma (walker)
4) walker (miley)
5) miley (paxton)

which rotation is better? i'd take the first one

i think they can trade paxton to get another bat or 1-3 decent prospects to help with a somewhat bad farm system. plus this is a better rotation to have then if it was with paxton

plus to win a division you got to have a good rotation and defense. with this the mariners can beat the angels, astros, rangers and a's.

4.) 26 Dec 2015
26 Dec 2015 14:00:29
that is a whole lot to read, and it is not realistic.