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19 Jan 2019 15:40:59
Rest of Yankees Offseason

Trades

Trade #1

Reds get Sonny Gray

Yankees get Tyler Stephenson and Shed Long


Trade #2

Indians get Estevan Florial, Everson Pereira, Chance Adams, Jonathan Holder, and Domingo Acevedo

Yankees get Corey Kluber


Trade #3

Rockies get Miguel Andujar, Clint Frazier, Clarke Schmidt, Matt Sauer, and Luis Medina

Yankees get Nolan Arenado


Free Agency

Designate Jacoby Ellsbury for Assignment

Sign Bryce Harper for 10 years and $350 million (with an opt out after 5 years)


Roster

Lineup

RF Judge
DH Stanton
LF Harper
3B Arenado
C Sanchez
SS Gregorius
CF Hicks
2B Torres
1B LaMahieu

Bench

C Romine
1B Voit
SS Tulowitzki
OF Gardner

Rotation

Kluber
Severino
Paxton
Tanaka
Happ

Bullpen

Sabathia (Swingman/Spot Starter)
Green
Kanhle
Ottavino
Betances
Britton
Chapman

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19 Jan 2019 19:03:54
Here we go again.

All of this puts the Yankees at a payroll of 270M next season (per Cot's Baseball Contracts) .

Also, are you really suggesting the Yankees sell of every bit of their farm system for two trades?

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20 Jan 2019 01:46:19
The Reds would be absolutely mad if they gave both of those prospects for Gray. Take Shed Long. We got other infield talent.

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20 Jan 2019 03:22:16
Whether you think they will do them or not, do you think the trades are fair or would they at least get the other teams attention?

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20 Jan 2019 05:42:38
A) When he does these posts we should just ignore him.
B) No the trades are horrible.
C) You always do quantity over quality. Stop, Not one player will ever bring back 5 players, unless they are desperate like the Red Sox were with Sale.

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20 Jan 2019 19:31:34
DFAing Ellsbury still means you have to pay him which puts your payroll at $310 mil, slow down and think about it next time bud.

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20 Jan 2019 22:33:26
Florial, Frazier, Andujar, Pereira, and Holder aren’t quality? Andujar could have won rookie of the year. Florial is a top 100 prospect. Frazier was a top 100 prospect but had too many at bats to be considered a prospect but is still very young and talented with a lot of control. Pereira will be a top 100 prospect in a year and a lot of people project him to be better than Florial but he’s only 17 years old. Holder could be the Indians 8th inning guy in front of Hand but gets lost in the Yankees stacked bullpen.

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18 Jan 2019 14:40:01
yankees offseason

Padres get Sonny Gray, Jonathan Holder, Tommy Khanle

Yankees get Logan Allen, Josh Naylor

sign Bryce Harper 10 350m

trade Hicks and Andujar to the indians for Kluber or bauer

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18 Jan 2019 16:29:27
First trade, i don't know if that will happen. I don't think the Yankees are going to trade Holder or Kanhle right now. The second trade the Indians hangup laughing at the proposal. Harper, sure its possible but that would take the Yankees payroll to about the 240s. Don't think they want to go that high right now.

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18 Jan 2019 18:22:40
Holder isn’t going anywhere, i think he’s probably worth more than Gray right now, and After the ottavino signing, I think that Makes Kahnle expendable.

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15 Jan 2019 19:44:26
Giants remaining offseason:
FA's-
C-Caleb Joseph-1 yr
OF-Aristides Aquino-4yr(milb)
OF-Adam Jones-1 yr
2B-Josh Harrison-2 yr
P/3B-Matt Davidson(2nd 2-way player) 1yr
Trades:
Joe Panik to Pittsburgh(Adam Frazier moves back to OF) for milb Domingo Robles and Ji-Hwan Bae
Belt to Rays for Lucius Fox

Pablo Sandoval also transitions to being a 2-way player

C-Posey
1B- Shaw
2B- Harrison
3B- Longoria
SS-Crawford
LF-Jones
CF-Duggar
RF-Williamson

Rotation:
MadBum
Rodriguez
Holland
Samardizja
Suarez

'Pen:
Smith
Moronta
Watson
Melancon
Dyson
Venditte
Black
Blach
Stratton

Bench
Joseph-C/1B
Hanson-3B/SS/2B/RF/LF
Slater-1B/LF/CF
Sandoval-3B/1B/C/2B/P
Davidson-3B/1B/LF/P
Aquino/Ferguson/Gerber milb/mlb
transitioning-OF

Feel free to give feedback, I have no idea what direction Farhan Zaidi is going with this team, so I am just experimenting and filling holes, mostly outfield, and making this team younger and more functional

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15 Jan 2019 20:03:17
Bryvic Valera and Abiatal Avelino are both up and down from big leagues as well.

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19 Jan 2019 11:16:57
As a Rays fan, I love Belt, but am also aware of concussion/ injury issues and his contract would be a little bit of an impediment, but I think they could afford him. Would be kind of funny to see Fox go back to the Giants. I wonder if the Rays would try and expand the deal to include Will Smith. They are still looking for a veteran arm in the back of the pen to accrue saves.

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19 Jan 2019 19:10:10
Belt didn't have any concussion issues in 2018. I think the "issue" has been vastly overstated.

Belt's issue, playing wise, will be his streakiness. When he's hitting, he's one of the best players in the game. But when he's not hitting, he's one of the worst. His splits every year are comically across the map.

But I'm not sure there's a player in baseball more hurt by his own ballpark than Belt. Most scouts believe he has 30-40 home run capabilities, and it'd be interesting to see what would happen in a more hitting friendly environment.

That said, I believe they'll get more than Lucius Fox for him. Quite a bit more, in fact.

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20 Jan 2019 08:36:01
Well, Belt has had 4 concussions in 8 years, so some might consider that to be a potential "issue" as the longterm effects of concussions are still somewhat unknown.

While Belt did not have a concussion in 2018, he did have season ending knee surgery. That won't "kill" his value but it should have an effect.

Totally agree about the park, however, Belt has surprisingly posted a higher wOBA at home in his career, so it's not entirely a park issue. However, players do typically perform better at home sometimes for less quantifiable reasons.

Again, we agree, it would probably take more than Fox. I don't think it'll be "too" much more, maybe another 45 FV prospect?

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20 Jan 2019 13:33:18
Depends on how much the Giants cover. My guess is Zaidi will leverage their ability to spend to draw better talent from the acquiring team.

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20 Jan 2019 13:41:46
The knee surgery Belt had was not much different than the surgeries we see guys like Bregman have every offseason. Only difference is the timing. The Giants had him get the operation because his season was over. If they were still in the hunt, Belt would have waited like any of these players.

This is what I mean by his “issues” are overstated. Without any context, they look bad.

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20 Jan 2019 22:35:06
Belt is streaky and gets more freak in baseball related injuries then more people I’ve ever seen, and is hurt a lot by the shift, but brings elite defense and puts a 5 year block in the Rays first base him so they won’t have to worry about him. Rays need a 1st baseman pretty bad and him playing at the Trop could 100% turn his career around, a new stadium could boost his homer in total to maybe 28-35.

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21 Jan 2019 02:33:20
Yeah, Belt's defense is a pretty big factor for his value. Since 2016, he leads all 1B in almost every defensive metric, by a pretty good margin.

As far as the shift goes, he's not hurt that much. Since 2017, he hits .309 against the shift. He's fine.

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15 Jan 2019 15:27:55
Padres trade Luis Torrens, Reggie Lawson, and Austin Smith

Yankees trade Sonny Gray

then.

Reds get Kluber, Jankowski, and Stammen

Indians get Morejon, Hedges, Naylor, and Jacob Nix

Padres get Senzel and Castillo.

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15 Jan 2019 18:39:33
Why wouldn't the Reds just send Senzel and Castillo to Cleveland and leave San Diego out?

The only thing San Diego does here is benefit by receiving Senzel and Castillo, which is pretty outlandish, if we're being honest.

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14 Jan 2019 05:28:12
Reds are on the up, they have a genuine chance to contend for a wild card spot if they can can shore up their pitching staff.

Trade:
ARI gets Matt Kemp, Connor Joe, Wyatt Strahan, Joe Mantiply
CIN gets Zack Greinke

Sign:
Marwin Gonzalez for 3yrs $21mil

C Barnhart
1B Votto
2B Gennett
SS Peraza
3B Suarez
RF Puig
CF Gonzalez
LF Winker

Bench
C Casali
2B Senzel
OF Schebler
3B Blandino
OF Ervin

Starters
Greinke
Wood
Roark
Castillo
DeSclafani

Bullpen
Garrett
Lorenzen
Hernandez
Hughes
Iglesias
Peralta
Romano

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14 Jan 2019 14:30:30
That Greinke trade is no bueno.

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14 Jan 2019 22:56:35
I think the Reds landing Kemp was a huge mistake, I would have given up another top 25 prospect to avoid that contract so we could use that money elsewhere, maybe for a Keuchel or a Pollock.
That’s why we give up Kemp and 3 mid-level prospects for an underperforming, overpaid started to see if he can regain his form in a new scenery.
Throwing in Someone like TJ Friedl or Juan Graterol might make this trade more appealing, but the goal is to get better team control for a bona fide starter rather than paying 20+mil for a guy who’s heart has always been in LA.

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15 Jan 2019 02:50:22
If you think Greinke is an underperforming starter, this probably isn’t a conversation worth having.

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15 Jan 2019 19:15:46
Greinke will be a borderline All-Star for the rest of his career, not underperforming.

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13 Jan 2019 14:29:32
Pittsburgh pirates sign machado 8 yr 240 mil trade valaquez and cervelli to dodgers for alex verdego

Line up:
Frazier 2b
Dickerson lf
Marte cf
Machado 3b
Kang 3b
Bell 1b
Verdego rf
Diaz c

Rotation

Taillon
Archer
Williams
Musgrove
Keller

Bullpen

Lyles
Brault
Kingman
Feliz
Crick
Kelea

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13 Jan 2019 16:25:34
Machado at short.

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13 Jan 2019 16:49:49
So you are clearly crazy. Have the Pirates even given a player $100 million? No, and they certainly can't afford this. Plus Cervelli for Verdugo is a terrible move for the Dodgers.

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13 Jan 2019 18:05:56
They have a payroll at 60 right now they have always needed a short stop and dodgers getting a proven young closer along with cervelli.

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14 Jan 2019 13:34:26
Such a terrible reasoning for them to sign Machado, Pirates will not commit that much to one player ever! Secondly if the Dodgers are getting Valaquez in the deal they will need to trade more than Verdugo.

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10 Jan 2019 21:21:46
Red Sox trade:
Matt Barnes, Brock Holt, Rick Porcello, Durbin Feltman

Rockies trade:
Wade Davis, Noel Cuevas, Bryan Shaw

Red Sox sign Marwin Gonzalez and Dallas Keuchuel

Red Sox grab a closer in Davis, get a better replacement/versatily guy in Gonzalez who is better than Holt, and also dump Porcello salary to pick up the big lefty in Dallas Keuchuel

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11 Jan 2019 01:14:12
I feel like the Rockies could do better than this.

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10 Jan 2019 21:16:06
Seattle trades:
Mike Leake and Dee Gordon

Reds trade:
Chris Okey and Scott Moss

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09 Jan 2019 14:12:12
White Sox & Diamondbacks

White Sox Get:

Zack Greinke RHP (3 years, $95.5 million)
$25 million
David Peralta OF (2 years, Arb)

D-Backs Get:

Blake Rutherford OF (#77 MLB)
Micker Adolfo OF
Lincoln Henzman RHP


This trade would turn out to be similar to the Mets/Mariners trade:

Mets Got:

Robinson Cano 2B/1B (5 years, $120 million)
$20 Million
Edwin Diaz (4 years, Pre-Arb/Arb)

Mariners Got:

Jay Bruce OF/1B (2 years, $26 million)
Anthony Swarzak RHP (1 year, $8 million)
Jarred Kelenic OF (#62 MLB)
Justin Dunn RHP (#89 MLB)
Gerson Bautista RHP

The Mets essentially took on $66 million after the exchange. The price for them doing so was a dominant 3.5 win closer in Diaz who they'll control through the 2022 season.


In my deal, the White Sox are taking on $71.5 million of Greinke's remaining contract plus the $7.7 million that Peralta projects to get in arbitration, bringing the total to $79.2 million. Peralta is coming off of a 3.8 win season in Arizona.

So, while the D-Backs don't quite get the same prospect quality as the Mariners did, they are shedding $13 million more and Peralta is only controlled for 2 years of surplus value while the Mets get Diaz for 4 years of surplus value.

The White Sox take advantage of their payroll flexibility and take a huge contract off the books for Arizona while also getting an OFer that mashes.

Sign Machado and the lineup on April 15th could look like:

Jay CF
Peralta RF
Machado 3B
Abreu DH
Jimenez LF
Alonso 1B
Anderson SS
Castillo C
Moncada 2B

Greinke
Rodon
Lopez
Nova
Giolito

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09 Jan 2019 14:36:22
Or the Diamondbacks could shop Peralta separately and get a better return.

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09 Jan 2019 15:54:23
Right, just like the Mariners could have for Diaz.

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09 Jan 2019 22:44:10
Hazen is also far less aggressive and more calculated than DiPoto and Van Wagenen. (And objectively better at his job.)

Peralta was nothing short of incredible last season, and he actually underperformed in many areas, based on career numbers. Even for only two years, it's going to take a haul, and Arizona isn't benefitted by pairing him to a bad contract.

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10 Jan 2019 00:31:04
Peralta had a career year, but where did he underperform? Slightly in the OF? He actually was much better than his career numbers in virtually every area (though, he’s always got on base) . Streamer doesn’t have him as a top 30 OFer next year. He’s a really good player, but let’s not get crazy. He’s not going to be an almost 4-win player again next year. I guess my thought of a “haul” might differ from yours.

I also think that shedding $90MM+ for a team going nowhere would benefit the team tremendously, actually. DiPoto has tried to avoid rebuilding since he was hired and Van Wagonen has been an exec for 5 minutes if we want to talk about GM MOs.

Getting someone to take a contract like Greinke or Cano takes a serious player (ie. a top 3 closer in the game who is 24 and has 4 years of control) . I wouldn’t be shocked for Arizona to be motivated to move that money if possible.

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10 Jan 2019 05:31:36
Oh, now you're in on the Fangraphs projections? Just last year, they were worthless (a la Avisail Garcia) and you *tried* to ridicule me for using them (by the way, I was pretty much exactly right, as were the projections. Just to remind you) .

This site would be so, so much better when people stop making arguments that are only convenient to their team/ players.

Peralta isn't going to require a guy like Jimenez, but the can get someone much better than Rutherford for him. So why limit the return for Peralta just to shed Greinke? The Diamondbacks don't have to bury a good player with Greinke, for what it's worth.

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10 Jan 2019 14:53:29
Yes, we truly have come full circle. You had the Giants picking Avi up at well. I loved it. One way to ensure that he never reaches his power potential is to put him in San Fran, haha. The projections were not worthless, I never said that, just don’t take them as religion. I'll admit that I was, in retrospect, overly bullish on Garcia, but you said that there was “nothing to suggest more homers” and here we sit with Garcia coming off an almost 30 point ISO increase and a career high in homers (playing an injury-plagued 93 games) . You were just set that there was no way that could happen.

And you are still missing the point. Obviously the D-Backs could get more for Peralta, I’m not saying their only option is to pair him with Greinke. Think of what Seattle could have gotten for Diaz alone! You want to talk about a “haul”. Moving serious money off a team that has severe budget restrictions and isn’t going to compete for the next couple seasons is important, but maybe that’s just me. That Greinke deal has hampered them since they signed it. W/ o it, they probably would have extended Goldy and may also have JD Martinez too.

We are on a site here talking trades that almost never come to fruition, but when I come up with one and lay out how it’s REALLY similar to one that ACTUALLY HAPPENED in the league (mine is less extreme), the principle of my trade is ignored. I never said Rutherford was enough for Peralta alone, just like Kelenic as a headliner wouldn’t have been good enough for Diaz alone either.

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10 Jan 2019 23:39:46
"We are on a site here talking trades that almost never come to fruition, but when I come up with one and lay out how it’s REALLY similar to one that ACTUALLY HAPPENED in the league"

Except yours isn't. It's still super light.

Consider the evidence:

Over the past two seasons, Greinke + Peralta have combined for 14 wins. Cano + Diaz? 10.6 This doesn't take into consideration the high variance rates of relievers and aging players coming off PED suspensions.

The Mets gave up significantly more for a much worse package. (I'm not interested in your blind homerism of White Sox prospects, the Mets deal was exponentially better) . I think Adolfo is a good start, but the Sox need to replace Rutherford with an actual good one.

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11 Jan 2019 03:33:45
"The Mets gave up significantly more for a much worse package. "

Hopefully you are coherent enough to understand that Diaz alone is much more valuable than Peralta. Like it's not close. Diaz and Treinen are in a category of their own when it comes to closers and the Mets are going to pay Diaz less than a million this year. Cano and Greinke are similar, but Cano is owed $25 million more total. Thus, Seattle would have to attach a better player in order to move Cano rather than Greinke.

Stop acting like Rutherford, Adolfo and Henzman is light years away from Kelenic, Dunn and Bautista. Rutherford might literally be Kelenic's closest comparable and he could 100% headline this deal, you just don't like him. You're pulling hairs like you usually do with me.

You're also forgetting that the Ms had to take back the bad contracts of Bruce and Swarzak in addition to $20 million being sent back to NY. So that also in effect requires a better return of prospects than what I have going to Arizona.

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11 Jan 2019 06:51:34
I'm not willing to split hairs on prospects. It's silly and you think every White Sox prospect is the next Babe Ruth. But just know, there's a lot of folks out there who aren't big on Rutherford. I don't know if Hazen is one of them, but it wouldn't be the least bit surprising if he's not.

As far as value is concerned, we'll have to agree to disagree. Relief pitching is extremely volatile and leads to a lot of high variance. Brett Cecil went from 1.1 WAR to -0.6 in one season. I could list tons of other examples.

As for Peralta, his numbers aren't obscene. There's nothing that stands out as an obvious regression point. And it's not that easy to find a 30 HR guy with .290/ .345 lines, and not based entirely on BABIP. That's extremely difficult to find. You can find good relief pitching all around the game.

Also, Greinke and Cano are not similar. Maybe contract-wise, but decades worth of data would suggest Greinke is a far more valuable asset at his age. He's not playing a super athletic position and he's not coming off of a PED suspension.

In fact, I'd be comfortable putting Greinke's trade closer to Verlander's than Cano's. Similar age (34 vs. 35), similar contract situation (84M compared to 90M) . Similar production levels (9.1 WAR in 2 seasons vs. 8.6). Verlander, alone, cost the Astros a very good pitching prospect in Franklin Perez. He's arguably better than anyone that went in the real trade or yours.

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11 Jan 2019 06:54:07
And for what it's worth, comparing Greinke/ Peralta to Cano/ Diaz because of contract similarities is like comparing a Ferrari to a Geo Metro because they both have doors.

If you don't agree on value, that's fine, but as I said, I can give you several decades worth of data that shows the volatility of relievers. I'd personally take the position player giving me 3-5 at bats a night over the guy giving me 4 innings a week. That's just me, though.

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11 Jan 2019 15:26:15
If we are talking trade value taking scarcity it consideration, I don't think you can say Peralta is more valuable. If I can show you 30 better OFs (some of which I could currently sign without trading anything) while struggling to find 2 better closers, you're going to be hard presssed to convince me. Then consider that you would pay Diaz 6 figures in 2019, and it's even more compelling.

You don't like my comparsion, but you compare the potential drop off of Edwin Diaz to Brett freakin' Cecil. Really? Talk about comparing a Ferrari to a Geo Metro. As long as Diaz has 98-101 in his back pocket with that slider, I don't forecast much regression. He has already shown us 2 seasons of more 15 K/ 9 and xFIPs below 2.

"It's silly and you think every White Sox prospect is the next Babe Ruth. But just know, there's a lot of folks out there who aren't big on Rutherford. "

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know the drill. I'm a homer and that gives me no credibility. But really, I'm sure DiPoto and Seattle will be pretty darn happy if Kelenic gets to high-A as a 20 year old and hits to a .357 wOBA and a 120 wRC+ - just saying.

And finally, Perez, Rutherford, Kelenic - All pretty similar in terms of value. You're now disagreeing just to do it. You can say Perez is slighly better, but then you just showed us that Verlander is better than Greinke so?

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11 Jan 2019 18:45:27
I wasn’t comparing Diaz to Cecil. Please stop being obtuse. I’m using Cecil as just one of the hundreds of cases that show the volatility in reief pitchers. A 3.5 WAR out of a RP has only happened 7 times since 2000. It’s incredibly unlikely that Diaz repeats that, based on historic data.

Even the most generous projection has Diaz at 2.1 WAR. Even at a +/ - 0.5 WAR, his range is 1.6 to 2.6. If he slips to that bottom number (Steamer has him at 1.4) he’s among a couple dozen other relievers with similar value.

The fact that guys lile Diaz have so much variance in their potential outcomes, in my opinion, is a huge red flag. Diaz has to remain at almost historic numbers to hold the value he has. Any look at historical data shows how ludicrous such a suggest would be. In all rights, the Mets paid for what Diaz did, and not what any reasonable projection would suggest.

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11 Jan 2019 18:52:49
Also, of all people, White Sox fans should know that one trade doesn’t set the value for all future trades.

If they did, teams would trade top 10 prospects for James Shields all the time.

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28 Dec 2018 16:00:30
Seattle

Is it just me, or have the Mariners had a really good offseason and actually have a decent team to put out for 2019 while they focus on the future.


C- Omar Narvaez
1B- Jay Bruce
2B- Dee Gordon
3B- Kyle Seager
SS- JP Crawford
LF- Mitch Haniger
CF- Mallex Smith
RF- Domingo Santana
DH- Edwin Encarnacion

SP- Felix Hernandez
SP- Mike Leake
SP- Erasmo Ramirez
SP- Wade LeBlanc
SP- Justice Sheffield


Dont get me wrong this team won't compete in the West, but there is a lot of good young talent on the roster, and they have completely revamped their farm. I think they have had one of the better offseasons.

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28 Dec 2018 16:17:54
They will be average like always.

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28 Dec 2018 18:23:23
Mediocre at best and they aren't done trading, Encarnacion, Bruce, and Leake could still or will be traded.

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