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07 Dec 2019 22:11:47
Proposed Deal via ESPN:

White Sox Get:
Mookie Betts

Red Sox Get:
Reynaldo Lopez
Dane Dunning
Luis Alexander Basabe

Yes, ESPN is employing individuals to come up with deals like this.

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08 Dec 2019 04:04:24
Wait, when did you start working at ESPN?

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08 Dec 2019 13:45:40
NO one watches ESPN for baseball related things anymore.

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06 Dec 2019 15:24:04
Rays Offseason

TB- Willson Contreres
CHC- Vidal Brujan, Brent Honeywell & Ronaldo Hernandez

The Rays are loaded in the minors, but lack a solid big league C. Zunnino just didn't cut it as a starter, but would be a solid bat off the bench. Cubs could use a 2B with Russell gone and Honeywell will be ready by the middle of the year. Hernandez is an upside acquisition to give them another solid C prospect with Amaya to replaces Contreres.


Sign DH Edwin Encarnacion 1 year $12 million
Sign CF Juan Lagares 1 year $4 million


C- Willson Contreres
1B- Ji-Man Choi
2B- Brandon Lowe
3B- Yandy Diaz
SS- Willy Adames
LF- Austin Meadows
CF- Kevin Kiermaier
RF- Hunter Renfroe
DH- Edwin Encarnacion

C- Mike Zunino
IF- Daniel Robertson
IF- Joey Wendle
OF- Brian O'Grady
OF- Juan Lagares

SP- Blake Snell
SP- Taylor Glasnow
SP- Charlie Morton
SP- Brandon McKay
SP- Yonny Chirinos

LR- Ryan Yarbrough
MR- Oliver Drake
MR- Jose Alverez
SU- Diego Castillo
CL- Emilio Pagan

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07 Dec 2019 22:01:02
This is a lot for Contreras in my opinion. 3 top-100s for him? Contreras is highly overrated, mostly because he's one of the worst framers in baseball. His bat is legit for a catcher, though. If Brujan is available because they like Lowe and with the acquisition of Edwards, I think maybe Brujan + Yonny Chirinos could entice the Cubs. TB would still have plenty of pitching fire power.

Actually, I think TB would be more inclined to go after Caratini if they have some young pitching for the Cubs to add. I don't think anyone can count on Honeywell at this point though.

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06 Dec 2019 13:40:35
If the Braves lose Donaldson. But sign Bumgarner then how about this block buster trade

Cubs , pirates and braved

Cubs would get
If Cole tucker
Cf ender incaite
3b Austin Riley
Sp Mike Foltynewicz
Closer mark Melcancon
Of Adam Duvall

Pirates get
Lp Justin Steele
Of Ian Happ
Rp Bryce Wilson
Rp Huascar Ynoa
C Austin Jackson

Braces get
3b Kris Bryant
Rp chris Archer
C Wilson Contreras
Cf Starling Marte
Closer Craig Kimbrel
Then Braves sign
Bring back Charlie Culberson and of Puig or Jones to Platoon with markakis May be sign Russell he can play 2b and ss

Line up
Rf Aruba
2b albies
1b Freeman
3b Bryant
Cf marte
Lf markakis/ puig or Jones
C Contreras
Ss Swanson
Staters
Lp Bumgarner
Rp Soraka
Lp Hamels
Rp archer
Lp fried
Bullpen
RpJackson
Rp Newcomb
Rp Oday
Lp will Smith
Rp Martin
Set up Greene
Closer Kimbrel

Bunch
D'Araud
Flower
If Carmago
If Russell
Culberson
Puig/ Adams

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06 Dec 2019 17:02:00
How do you spell "Huascar Ynoa" properly, but can't spell "Acuna"?

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03 Dec 2019 02:59:20
Yankees Offseason

Trades

Trade #1

Indians get Jasson Dominguez, Deivi Garcia, Estevan Florial, Clint Frazier, and Thairo Estrada

Yankees get Francisco Lindor


Trade #2

Pirates get Albert Abreu, Jonathan Loaisiga, and Michael King

Yankees get Starling Marte


Trade #3

Brewers get J.A. Happ, Miguel Andujar, Jonathon Holder, Clarke Schmidt, and Matt Sauer

Yankees get Josh Hader


Free Agency

Let Brett Gardner and Didi Gregorius walk.

Resign Dellin Betances for 3 years and $30 million

Resign Austin Romine for 3 years and $9 million

Resign Edwin Encarnacion for 1 year and $8 million

Sign Gerrit Cole for 7 years and $245 million


Roster

Hicks on 60 Day IL

Lineup

1B LeMahieu
RF Judge
SS Lindor
LF Stanton
DH Encarnacion
C Sanchez
2B Torres
CF Marte
3B Urshela

Bench

C Romine
1B Voit
IF Wade
OF Tauchman

Rotation

Cole
Severino
Paxton
Tanaka
German

Bullpen

Green (Opener/Middle Reliever)
Kahnle (Middle Reliever)
Ottavino (Middle Reliever)
Betances (Middle Reliever)
Britton (7th Inning Setup Man)
Hader (8th Inning Setup Man)
Chapman (Closer)

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03 Dec 2019 12:17:59
So can you finally answer this for all of us. Why is it ever year you want the Yankees to trade for every big name that is rumored to be available. I am surprised you don't have a trade for Bryant and Betts up there.

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03 Dec 2019 13:42:05
I go for fits. Not just big names. Which is why I don’t have them going for Bryant or Betts. They have been linked to Lindor to fill the hole left by Didi. Hicks is out for a big chunk of the year and Gardner can’t be counted on to repeat his production at age 36 especially if the scale back the baseball juicing. Marte makes sense as a one year rental to provide some speed and on base skills to the lineup and plays a great CF. As for Hader, that one may be more far fetched but the Yankees seem to add a major bullpen piece every offseason now out of nowhere and he is young and under control so he provides some insurance when Kahnle is a free agent after this year and if Betances doesn’t come back the same.

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03 Dec 2019 14:45:42
Infield, lemahieu 2nd, Torres SS, Urshela/ Andujar 3rd, what hole? Clint Frazier, Tachmann, Ford, others/ less expensive free agents. You can't have them trade away the farm system. that's what got them in trouble from 2012-2016, they had no depth.

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03 Dec 2019 16:29:30
Lindor is clearly a target that would improve the Yankees. The deal as presented, won't be adequate as the Indians would want someone who could step in and contribute, immediately. Deivi Garcia is smaller than Danny Salazar, who didn't work. Hard Pass. Clint Frazier is more of a throw in at this point. Estevan Florial has proven he can't hit and the Indians already have a guy, Daniel Johnson who they like better. Thairo Estrada is a "nothing special" middle infielder/ utility infielder that the Indians have an ample supply of.

This is not what it would take to acquire one of the top ten players in the world. That would require starting with Andujar, keeping Jasson Dominguez (excellent prospect) adding another prospect like Kevin Alcantara and adding an arm, at least one of Jonathan Loaisiga, Luis Medina, Michael King and or Domingo Acevedo, possibly two if Loaisiga is NOT chosen.

Yankee fans may look at this kind of deal and gasp. but, that's what it would take.

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03 Dec 2019 21:31:56
And now I just read an article linking Hader to the Yankees. So now all three of these players have officially been linked to the Yankees in some capacity. I’m not just pulling it out of nowhere. It gets talked about on sports sights and I try to predict what I think a fair deal might look like. I’m not just saying they’re going to get every good player available.

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04 Dec 2019 12:33:24
I am sure you can find an article linking anyone to any team.

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04 Dec 2019 18:11:09
That Josh Hader trade is awful.

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02 Dec 2019 14:00:17
Josh Hader just hit the trade block, according to Ken Rosenthal.

Dodgers get: Hader
Brewers get: Keibert Ruiz, Josiah Gray, Edwin Rios

It's a bit steep, but when the best available relief options are Will Harris and Daniel Hudson, you have to overpay for elite RP.

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02 Dec 2019 17:12:25
Good start, but I think LA would have to throw in either a sweetener or a better prospect than Rios. Not far off, though.

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03 Dec 2019 05:19:31
I think Milwaukee would be wise to see where they're at in July rather than move Hader now. I'm sure they could get this at the deadline. That's a weird division.

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04 Dec 2019 18:11:43
I agree, Chi Sox.

But I could also see them hoping for a massive overpay from someone who needs a legit closer option.

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27 Nov 2019 15:06:28
Real trade that just went down:

Brewers get: Luis Urias, Eric Lauer.
Padres get: Zach Davies, Trent Grisham.

Really throws a wrench in that whole "Urias for Betts or Lindor" type trades, and shows that Urias isn't as highly seen as Padres fans here thought he was.

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27 Nov 2019 15:40:06
The best the Padres could get with Urias was a pitcher who can't strike people out, and whose fastball teeters below 90mph (Davies has one good pitch: a slider) and a lottery ticket OF, who might not even be one of the top 5 OF in San Diego. And they had to give up Eric Lauer as well.

There's an alternative option too: David Stearns is really good at his job and A. J. Preller is bad at his.

But there's someone who doesn't think very highly of Urias, or thinks far too highly of Davies and Grisham.

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27 Nov 2019 19:01:52
Davies threw a total of 20 sliders in 2019 and was hit to the tune of a .441 xwOBA. In 2018, it was a .616 xwOBA.

If you maybe mean his cutter, those totals were .367 in 2019 and .414 in 2018. His changeup was by far his most effective pitch. The Padres must see something they like, but he's a HEAVY regression candidate.

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28 Nov 2019 01:19:04
Yeah, I don't get it.

But it really tells us a lot about how both teams viewed Urias: not very well. Because Urias wasn't even enough to get Grisham and Davies.

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27 Nov 2019 05:25:42
Red Sox / White Sox

White Sox Get:
LHP David Price
OF Andrew Benintendi
$21 Million

Red Sox Get:
OF Steele Walker
RHP Jonathan Stiever
RHP Tyler Johnson

If I'm Boston, there is no way I can trade Mookie Betts. None - especially if he's going to be on a 1 year or 1/2 year deal. I want to do everything I can to retain him. He's a generational talent that they should never let leave Boston.

Martinez opting-in complicates things, so they need to try and move money around. In this case, they could semi-punt on 2020, and put themselves in position to make the necessary adds to contend in 2021.

By shedding more than $30 million in committed money for 2021, they'll be at roughly $90 million pre-arb (with Devers and E-Rod as the significant arb raises). Plus, JD could opt out too if he feels he can get more than the 2/$38 Million or so he could get from Boston.

$100+ million to work & already having a core of Betts, Devers, Sale, & Bogaerts is not a bad situation. If they are truly intent on shedding payroll, I think saving $100 Million in total over 3 seasons is worth the loss of Benny, who hasn't been spectacular in 2 of his 3 ML seasons.

As I wrote this, I thought about having to pay David Price $25 million per year over the next 3 years, and it doesn't sound great the more you think about it from the White Sox standpoint. But regardless, I think Boston should look to make a deal like this.

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27 Nov 2019 13:23:06
If they have to give up Benintendi to get rid of Price the Red Sox won't get rid of David Price.

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27 Nov 2019 13:27:44
And if they are giving up Benintendi + 21M, I think Chicago would need to give up a better player.

All of those guys are pretty decent, but its not like David Price is Jacoby Ellsbury. He's still a pretty good pitcher, and the White Sox have a lot of payroll space. I'd guess the Red Sox would want someone like Madrigal or Vaughn if the White Sox are getting Benintendi.

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27 Nov 2019 13:32:19
"I think saving $100 Million in total over 3 seasons is worth the loss of Benny, who hasn't been spectacular in 2 of his 3 ML seasons. "

Of course you do. We wouldn't expect anything less from you.

Now, tell us also how you can save the Angels lots of money by acquiring Trout for a handful of 40 FV prospects. I'm guessing they'd have to attach Ohtani as well, right?

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27 Nov 2019 18:54:33
Yes, arguably the greatest player in this game's history is a great comparable to David Price's situation in Boston. Simple baseball knowledge. Stop wasting everyone's time, statbook.

@thedudeabides, that is valid. I'm sure they try and trade JD, but any scenario where they feel they have to part with Betts is a mistake, IMO. I felt like this deal essentially gives them a mulligan with a top tier FA starter, while also being able to raise their offer to Betts. At 34, I'm not sure we can expect much better from Price, so I think Vaughn or Madrigal would require more money to be eaten by Boston. I think Benny has some upside that we haven't seen yet. One way or another, Boston is going to have to make something happen financially.

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28 Nov 2019 01:21:27
Name one time where a player of Benintendi's ilk was thrown into a trade just to offset a big contract?

You could argue Edwin Diaz was added into Robinson Cano's trade, but even then, the Mariners got Kelenic and Dunn, both very, very good prospects.

Meanwhile, Price and Benintendi are overall far better than Cano/ Diaz, and you've got the White Sox giving up next to nothing for them.

It has no grounding in reality whatsoever. Talk about wasting people's time.

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28 Nov 2019 01:30:38
Chi Sox: Right, but why would the Red Sox give up Benintendi? The guy is insanely talented and is fairly cheap. If that's what it takes, I don't think the Red Sox wouldn't trade him.

Unlike thestatbook, I'm going to try and be nice, but I don't think there's a chance Boston even considers this idea without a really good prospect going back to Boston. I could see that return if it were just David Price going back. No way it happens with Benintendi.

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28 Nov 2019 14:24:58
I thought more about that Cano trade, and it really doesn't help your case here. It's the best precedent we have for a massive contract of an older player.

The Mariners attached Edwin Diaz to Cano. And everyone and their mom knew that Diaz wasn't going to replicate 2018. After all the players got moved, the Mets were on the hook for about 63.5M. That's not including the cost of Diaz going forward (est. 21M going forward) .

Taking on over 80M for a 36-year-old 2B (when you can't DH him) and a reliever cost the Mets two 50+ FV prospects.

The White Sox will be taking on around the same amount of money in your scenario, once you consider the arbitration for Benintendi will make the 21M a wash. So maybe 10-20M more in total commitments that the White Sox will be adding.

This doesn't consider the fact that the White Sox can afford this a lot easier than the Mets, who already had several commitments. I'd imagine the White Sox would have to include a similar prospect into that return. So take your pick of the following 50FV prospects: Robert, Kopech, Madrigal, Vaughn. And it very well may be two of them, especially with the factor that Benintendi is a significantly better "add in" than Edwin Diaz.

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28 Nov 2019 14:32:45
The other precedent is one that certainly doesn't help your case: Zack Greinke.

Greinke was a full year older than Price when he was traded, and after all the money worked out, it was about 53M that Houston was on the hook for.

Taking on 53M for a 35-year-old pitcher cost them Corbin Martin (50 FV at time of trade) J. B. Bukauskas (50 FV), Seth Beer (40+) and Josh Rojas.

Now, imagine what would have happened if the Diamondbacks also included Ketel Marte into the deal? The return would have been monstrous.

No matter how you spell it, there's absolutely no precedence suggesting that Price and Benintendi can go to Chicago for a bunch of inconsequential prospects. Even for JUST DAVID PRICE, I'd imagine the team getting Price will have to give up something that'd hurt. This is based solely on precedence, not personal preference or homerism.

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28 Nov 2019 15:21:28
I guess my counter-argument would be that Boston has a much greater incentive to clear Price's money than Seattle did with Cano. Also, if we (and the Mets) went by your xFIP argument, they probably thought Diaz's 2018 was more legit than not. I think they thought they were truly getting an elite closer with 4 years of control. I don't think Benny, with 3 years control, has nearly the same trade value as Diaz did alone with Benny coming off a league average season. His batted ball profile also does not inspire a lot of confidence. Price is obviously better than Cano, but is that difference worth the difference in Keleinic vs. Steele Walker? Probably, but then I circle back to my initial sentence of this paragraph.

I'm not dead-set on this proposal, but I think it's interesting to consider how far Boston would go to clear Price's $. If they can present Betts with the offer he deserves while also looking at guys like Realmuto, Springer, Brantley, Pederson, Bauer, Ray, Paxton - and a LOADED class in 2 years - Benny might be worth it. It depends too on how they view Benny internally and how much they'll be willing to pay in luxury taxes with this core in-tact.

I think the Madrigal/ Vaughn/ Kopech (Heck no on Robert) conversation can be had, but more than $21 million attached would be required.

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29 Nov 2019 03:09:28
Look, I'm not a big Andrew Benintendi fan. And for the reasons you cited, I don't get the hype. But Boston seems to be big on him, as do a lot of baseball writers. How does Bloom view him? I'm not sure, but I doubt he views him so lowly that he has to include him with Price's contract AND adding over 20M in salary.

And I don't think Boston will have that much challenge moving Price, if they move some money with his deal. And if they moved Price + 25M, I think they'd get at least one 45 FV prospect, if not more. There's a lot of teams that could use David Price, and a lot of teams that have the salary space for him. They simply wouldn't even consider such a move if it requires Benintendi. I'd bet a lot of money on that.

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29 Nov 2019 05:30:36
I didn’t suggest the Red Sox include Devers or Bogaerts did I? How does including Marte, a guy coming off a 7-win season, compare to Benintendi who averagind 3 wins a season with a career 108 wRC+?

And don’t act like Arizona got a haul for Grienke. Martin is a solid back-end pitching prospect, but Bukauskas is a reliever with control issues and Beer is a solid DH at best. That return, minus about $23 million taken on, isn’t miles away from Walker, Stiever, and Johnson - all of which coming off great seasons.

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29 Nov 2019 12:32:00
I'm comparing the return including Marte to say that teams aren't going to just hand over their really good young talent just for the sake of offsetting big contracts.

The Diamondbacks only had to throw in some cash for Greinke. You can disagree with the level of the return, but at least two of those players were 50 FV prospects according to several outlets (Fangraphs, Baseball America, MLB Pipeline) .

Even then, if the return for Greinke + some cash is the same as Walker, Stiever, and Johnson, you've pretty well shown that the Red Sox wouldn't need to add Benintendi. The Red Sox can get someone to take Price, and they'd probably get a better return without even adding a good young hitter.

This trade wasn't good. Just admit it and move on.

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29 Nov 2019 15:16:28
No one is taking on $70+ million for David Price on his own. With the amount of SPs who are better than Price on the FA market, teams can get someone better for much less than a $25-32 MM AAV.

The context of the Grienke trade was much different, and he's just a better pitcher without the recent injury history that Price has. We are talking about a 5 and a half-win pitcher vs. a 2-win pitcher. Houston is paying him for two and a half years, Price would be 3 full seasons. We've also been over the increased value that Grienke had for Houston in 2019.

I can reason that Boston wouldn't be willing to part with Benny, but I don't think Price will be as easy to move as you're suggesting. On his own, I'd bet Boston would have to eat closer to half of the $96 million he's owed.

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30 Nov 2019 00:08:35
The Red Sox might have to attach something to sweeten the deal, I'll give you that. But you're out of your mind if you think it's any player who is currently slated to start (unless we're talking about Marco Hernandez, maybe) .

I'd also imagine the Red Sox would gladly take next to nothing to let Price's contract be someone else's problem.

I don't think they'll have to take next to nothing. They'll get a decent return.

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26 Nov 2019 10:54:47
If Braves lose Donaldson , rather not then sign another left handed third baseman like Moustakas to bat behind freeman as it shown it better have right handed make a trade with Cubs for Bryant and I have block buster three team trade

Cubs get
SP Corey Kluber
ss Freddie Lindor
Of Adam Duvall
3b Austin Riley
Rp Mark Melancon

Indians get
Rp Luke Jackson
Of Kyle Schwarber
C Wilson Contreras
Cf Ender Inciarte
Prospects
Rp huascar Ynoa
Rp Bryce Wilson
Lp Justin Steele

Braces get
Rp Craig Kimbrel
3b Kris Bryant
Lp Brad Hand

Braves sign one of these sp pitchers
Baumgarnsr , wheeler , Hamels , porcello , Kuechel,Hernandez , wacha ,woods

Sign on of these to platoon with markakis Puig or Jones resign of billy Hamilton back up cf and sign either Adeiny Hechavarría or Didi Gregorius on one year deal and sign one of these vet to finish off the bull pen Shelby Miller , Matt Harvey, Sergio Romo, Jake Diekman, Drew Pomeranz, Brad Brach, Tyler Clippard, Craig Stammen, Josh Tomlin, Dellin Betances, Luis Avilán, Jerry Blevins, Greg Holland, Trevor Rosenthal, Cody Allen, Josh Fields, and of brave sign 3Rd Catchers either sign wither Wieters , Francisco Cervelli, Martín Maldonado , Gomez or even with ties with aa Martin or even sign Gattis who whe could play little of , c , 1b and give us power bat off the bench .

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26 Nov 2019 17:38:12
This is laughable.

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26 Nov 2019 17:44:18
This deal makes no sense on multiple fronts.

1. The Cubs are trying to shed salary. Swapping Bryant for Lindor doesn’t do that. Also, Melancon isn’t cheap. Nor is Kluber.

2. The Indians get significantly worse. They will only trade Lindor if they can continue to compete in 2020 without him. This won’t do it.

3. It’s awfully convenient that the Braves can acquire an elite 3B and two elite RPs and only give up Wilson and Riley as main pieces.

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27 Nov 2019 03:17:40
Just your standard 15 player trade.

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28 Nov 2019 13:40:39
Freddie Lindor? .

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