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05 Dec 2017 16:30:02
Padres Sign Shohei Ohtani

Padres sign Eric Hosmer 3 year $70 million

Padres trade Jankowksi and Eric Lauer
Phillies trade Freddy Galvis

Padres trade Wil Myers
Red Sox trade Michael Chavis, Henry Owens, and Carson Smith

Padres trade Yangervis Solarte and Jacob Nix
Braves trade Alex Jackson and Jose Ramirez

Padres Depth
2B-Asuaje/ Urias
3B-Spangenberg/ Chavis
LF-Ohtani/ Pirela/ Dickerson

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05 Dec 2017 17:33:36
Hosmer will get more than 3 years.

05 Dec 2017 18:13:12
That's all you think Hosmer will sign for?

03 Dec 2017 20:36:24
Yankees Offseason

Sign Shohei Otani (INT $3.5 million )
Sign Jake Mcgee 2 years $18 million
Sign Miguel Montero 1 year $5 million
Sign Seth Smith 1 year $6 million
Resign CC Sabathia 1 year $10 million
Resign Todd Frazier 2 years $22 million (player option for 2nd year)

Yankees trade: CF Jacoby Ellsbury and $45 million

Royals trade: LHP Evan Steele

Option LHP Jordan Montgomery to AAA Scranton

1. Brett Gardner CF
2. Aaron Judge RF
3. Gary Sanchez C
4. Didi Gregorius SS
5. Starlin Castro 2B
6. Aaron Hicks LF
7. Todd Frazier 3B
8. Greg Bird 1B
9. Shohei Otani DH

1. Chase Headley 3B/1B/DH
2. Miguel Montero C
3. Seth Smith OF
4. Ronald Torreyes INF

1. Luis Severino
2. Masahiro Tanaka
3. Sonny Gray
4. CC Sabathia
5. Shohei Otani/Chad Green

Adam Warren
Chad Green/Shohei Otani
Jake Mcgee
David Robertson
Tommy Kahnle
Dellin Betances
Aroldis Chapman

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03 Dec 2017 23:23:22
Yankees didn’t make the first cut for otani. He prefers
A small market team on west coast.

04 Dec 2017 00:10:39
Can I just start by laughing about how Yankees fans were sure they had Ohtani?

Other than that, I think these are pretty decent and seem reasonable. Good work.

05 Dec 2017 14:38:07
I am going to say this, Yankee fans thought the Yankees would get Ohtani because everyone else (writers, analyst, front office personnel, etc) all thought the same, so you really can't bash Yankee fans for assuming this when everyone else thought the same.

05 Dec 2017 17:18:46
There's one thing to be think, "oh, hey, people say we have a chance. " But that's not what Yankees fans did.

They brazenly slotted him onto their team. I know multiple, I repeat, multiple Yankee fans who made customized Ohtani jerseys. MLBTR, Fangraphs, Bleacher Report, ESPN. Their comment boards are chock-full of Yankee fans who got into flame wars because they KNEW Ohtani was going to be a Yankee.

So yes, I can bash them. It's not a generalization, but it's certainly a very loud group of people who made a laughing stock out of Yankee fans.

No one actually knew what Ohtani was looking for. This is why we don't read much into the Hot Stove until we actually have a cooked product.

05 Dec 2017 17:55:13
well that part is true, some people went overboard with that. but it may not have happened if no one thought they weren't the favorites. Now they all are probably disappointed they aren't get Matain either.

06 Dec 2017 23:22:36
Maitan is severely overrated.

03 Dec 2017 20:12:58
Red Sox Offseason:

Sign Carlos Santana 3 years $45 million
Sign Jay Bruce 4 years $60 million
Sign Anthony Swarzak 1 year $7 million
Sign Alex Avila 2 years $14 million
Sign Carlos Gomez 1 year $5 million
Sign Tony Watson 2 years $12 million
Resign Brock Holt 1 year $4 million

Red Sox trade: RHP Alex Scherff, LHP Brian Johnson, PTBNL

Marlins trade: RHP Dan Straily

Red Sox trade: CF Jackie Bradley Jr

Mariners trade: SS Christopher Torres and OF Anthony Jimenez


1. Andrew Benintendi CF
2. Mookie Betts RF
3. Jay Bruce LF
4. Carlos Santana DH
5. Hanley Ramirez 1B
6. Rafael Devers 3B
7. Dustin Pedroia 2B
8. Xander Bogaerts SS
9. Alex Avila C

1. Brock Holt UTL
2. Sandy Leon C
3. Carlos Gomez CF
4. Deven Marrero 3B/SS

1. Chris Sale
2. David Price
3. Rick Porcello
4. Dan Straily
5. Drew Pomeranz

Eduardo Rodriguez
Steven Wright
Anthony Swarzak
Tyler Thornberg
Tony Watson
Joe Kelly
Craig Kimbrel

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03 Dec 2017 16:44:20
Seattle Mariners offseason:
Sign Shohei Ohtani
Sign Yu Darvish 6 yrs 150mil
Sign Carlos Santana 4 yrs 70 mil
Sign Lorenzo Cain 3 yrs 40 mil
Sign Ichiro Suzuki 1yr 6 mill

1. Jean Segura SS
2. Lorenzo Cain CF
3. Robinson Cano 2B
4. Nelson Cruz DH
5. Carlos Santana 1B
6. Kyle Seager 3B
7. Mitch Haniger RF
8. Mike Zunino C
9. Ben Gamel LF
1. Felix Hernandez
2. James Paxton
3. Yu Darvish
4. Shohei Ohtani
5. Mike Leake
Ryon Healy 1B
Ichiro OF
Guerillmo Heredia OF
Taylor Motter IF/OF

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03 Dec 2017 17:41:27
Nobody would give Ichiro $6 million per year. The Marlins declined a $2 million club option. Also, the Mariners don't have this kind of payroll space to make all these moves happen.

03 Dec 2017 20:23:53
Mariners 2018 world series winners.

05 Dec 2017 17:35:22
Cain is going to get way more than 3/ 40.

30 Nov 2017 10:55:40
Yankees Future Outlook

2017-2018 Offseason

Hire Carlos Beltran as Manager

Extend Didi Gregorius for 5 years and $75 million buying out the rest of his arbitration years and a couple years of free agency.


Giants get Jacoby Ellsbury (Yankees eat half of his salary)

Yankees get Ty Blach and Cory Taylor

Free Agency

Sign Shohei Ohtani and Kevin Maitan with remaining international signing pool money

Sign Jake McGee for 3 years and $18 million

2018-2019 Offseason

Brett Gardner and Chase Headley come off the books.


Diamondbacks get Starlin Castro

Yankees get Cody Reed, Jared Miller, and Victor Reyes

Free Agency

Sign Manny Machado for 10 years and $400 million



CF Hicks
3B Machado
1B Bird
RF Judge
C Sanchez
SS Gregorius
DH Ohtani
LF Frazier
2B Torres


C Romine
1B Austin
IF Torreyes
Uti Wade

Rotation (6 Man)



Warren (Swingman)
Green (Swingman)
McGee (Lefty Specialist)
Kahnle (Middle Reliever)
Betances (7th Inning Setup Man)
Robertson (8th Inning Setup Man)
Chapman (Closer)

The scary part is they still have Tate, Acevedo, Sheffield, Abreu, Andujar, Florial, etc to trade for another major piece but I don't see what else they need to improve. Lineup is stacked. Rotation is stacked. Bullpen is stacked. Most of the roster is young and controllable. They are truly set up for years to come.

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30 Nov 2017 16:54:54
I doubt Ellsbury is on the Giants' radar for CF help. He's 35, is paid through his age 37 season, and isn't a particularly outstanding defensive CF option anymore.

Even at a discounted price, the Giants likely wouldn't be interested. And certainly not if they have to give up Blach for him.

30 Nov 2017 17:28:12
Your such a bandwagon fan, first you said they should resign Giardi, then you say Ibanez, now Beltran. You don't know what you want. I am not going to say much more other than the usual this is terrible, because don't learn or listen and post the relatively same nonsense each time. It is quite obvious you don't know what you are doing at this point.

30 Nov 2017 22:00:51

I am the furthest thing from a bandwagon fan. I have been Yankees fan since I was old enough to understand the game and have never strayed from them. As for the managers. At the time, I thought Girardi would likely be back. Once it was confirmed that he wouldn’t be, I said Ibanez because he was one of the early names that was thrown around that I liked. I can’t still say Ibanez because he hasn’t even been interviewed. Out of the candidates that have been interviewed my preference is Beltran.

Now for the rest of the post. You say I don’t listen to the criticism but you never give any. You just say it’s horrible and don’t explain how to make it better. I don’t understand what’s so bad about it. Getting someone to take Ellsbury will be very difficult but Ellsbury going to the Giants has been thrown around by MLB Insiders as a possibility. They are considered the favorites for Ohtani. They are considered to be one of the favorites for Machado and Harper and I went with Machado because of positional need. I don’t understand what is so terrible.

01 Dec 2017 01:48:11
I haven't criticized you lately. Just look at your past posts over the last year and half. I gave you plenty of criticism, but you continually posted the same thing over and over again. You slightly alter a trade and think its good. Yes it is going to be hard to get rid of Ellsbury. I will clarify what I mean as bandwagon fan, every person they interview, you jump on that bandwagon, Example, you first said Ibanez, then Beltran, whos next?

01 Dec 2017 05:02:17
As I said I assumed they would keep Girardi. Once they announced they wouldn’t, Ibanez was one of the early names that floated around the media. So I used him. However now that interviews have been done and Ibanez didn’t get one, I went with one of the guys that has been interviewed. I’m not bandwagoning. I’m just trying to stay consistent with what people are saying at the time they’re saying it.

Tell me what I can do to make this post better? In terms of the trades and the signings.

01 Dec 2017 06:22:57
Literally no Giants beat writers have even hinted at Jacoby Ellsbury as an option for the Giants.

As for your posts, how can we continue to offer you advice to make it better? Many people on this site have offered our share and you post the exact same stuff over and over again.

01 Dec 2017 12:12:09
Now it’s you guys repeating yourselves. All you do is say you try to help me and I post the same stuff. What have you said to help me? You just say it’s terrible. Give me an actual opinion. Where could Ellsbury be traded and for what? Are the signings and the contracts realistic?

Also, I never said anything about Giants beat reporters. Just general MLB reporters mentioning a few teams the Yankees might be able to unload Ellsbury to. Just yesterday I read an article on some potential trades for some of the worst contracts in baseball on bleacher report. It had Ellsbury going to the Angels for a couple of low level prospects however I didn’t think that made any sense given they have big money tied up in Trout, Pujols, and now Upton. They already have an outfield of Upton, Trout, and Calhoun. First base and DH are tied up with Pujols and Cron. So I don’t see the Angels as a fit.

01 Dec 2017 14:16:11
So you thought the Giants, who have a bunch of aging players on fat contracts would be a good fit?

I don’t think these are particularly terrible, unlike Batman, but this a concept people, myself included, have shared over and over. You just post the same stuff with different names.

Where could Ellsbury be traded? Unless the Yankees take on nearly all (not just half) of that deal, likely nowhere.

01 Dec 2017 14:43:59
We are repeating ourselves because you don't LISTEN and don't get it.

29 Nov 2017 20:05:50
Hypothetical Scenario:
-Stanton is traded to LAD/SF
- Hosmer signs with Boston
- Santana resigns with Cleveland

St. Louis needs an impact bat, so they call the White Sox.

St. Louis Gets:
Jose Abreu 1B

Chicago Gets:
Tyler O'Niell OF
Sandy Alcantara RHP
Randal Grichuk OF

I'd love for the Sox to try and pry top catching prospect, Carson Kelly, away from the Cards, but that would be very hard to do, as they see Yadi coaching him up as his eventual replacement. The Cards get Abreu who is just as good as Hosmer for a lot less $$. It allows them to still be very active next offseason as well. They have a surplus of controlled OFs, so O'Neill and Grichuk aren't that hard to part with. Alcantara is a good, live arm that can at least wind up as a flame-thrower in the back end of the pen as soon as the end of 2018. But he's their 4th best pitching prospect, not to mention Carlos Martinez and Luke Weaver already in the rotation.

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29 Nov 2017 20:29:29
I can’t envision the Cardinals wasting three years of Carson Kelly while he backs up Yadi.

Honestly, you could throw him in the trade and it’s fair. I think you might be underselling Abreu.

29 Nov 2017 21:00:56
Also, Abreu is significantly better than Eric Hosmer. It's not even a close call. The only thing that makes Hosmer more attractive is his age and the fact that he only costs money, not prospects.

There, I said some nice things about the White Sox and agreed with you. Don't get used to it.

28 Nov 2017 21:29:58
Reds and Yankees:

Reds get: Estevan Florial, Miguel Andujar, Domingo German and Ronald Torreyes

yankees get: Scooter Gennett, Eugenio Suarez and Homer Bailey

Convincing the Reds to part with Suarez and Gennett would be the hard part. They're good players who are controlled through 2020 and 2019. however if the reds get a chance to vastly improve their own farm system they might bite, plus moving Bailey would mean getting out from under the $49 million he's still owed.For the Yankees, the primary benefit would be substantial upgrades to a lineup that was already good enough to finish second in runs and first in defensive efficiency in 2017. Their rotation would also get just what it needs behind Luis Severino, Masahiro Tanaka and Sonny Gray: an arm good enough to use, but not good enough to call off their pursuit of Japanese wunderkind Shohei Otani.

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29 Nov 2017 03:18:43
There's no way the Yankees do this. Those three reds players packaged together have very little, if any, trade value.

29 Nov 2017 07:25:26
Suarez has value, but not with Bailey’s contract. And I doubt the Yankees would do this.

29 Nov 2017 14:30:07
I agree, Suarez has value, but Bailey has negative value and gennett is close to zero, so this package isn't worth much.

29 Nov 2017 16:57:23
The Yankees would want nothing to do with this. Castro is as good if not better than Gennett. He was an AllStar this year and was having a great season before he got hurt. Suarez is a nice player but they have Torres on the way to take over for Headley at 3B and Suarez would just be blocking him. Nobody wants Homer Bailey and his contract. The Yankees currently have Severino, Tanaka, Gray, Montgomery, and Chance Adams is MLB ready with Justus Sheffield right behind him. They are the favorites for Ohtani and if they really want Insurance they can just resign C. C. on a one year deal. Awful deal from their perspective.

30 Nov 2017 19:35:04
Over the past two seasons, Gennett has been better than Castro in nearly every offensive category. He's also significantly cheaper than Castro. I would take Gennett over Castro any day of the week.

That's not the issue with this deal. The issue is Homer Bailey. Otherwise, it's actually fair.

28 Nov 2017 16:07:40

Dodgers get: Giancarlo Stanton OF

Marlins get:
Joc Perderson OF
Yadier Alvarez RHP
Jordan Sheffield RHP
Errol Robinson SS/2B

White Sox/Dodgers

White Sox get:
Scott Kazmir LHP
Dustin May RHP

Dodgers get:
International Bonus Pool $

The Dodgers get Stanton which gives them an ungodly lineup. However, they want to get under the luxury tax threshold, so dealing Kazmir will help offset some money. IMO, the Marlins should go with the full rebuild, also trading Yellich, Ozuna, Bour, Gordon, etc, so this is the first step. They can get a really good farm system very quickly if they do so. In this trade, they get 2 young arms with tremendous upside and an OFer that they can put immediately in Stanton's place.

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28 Nov 2017 22:39:24
Adding Stanton puts them at $218MM, Kazmir makes $17MM in 2018. They would still be over the luxury tax.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Dodgers sit atop Stanton's wishlist, but I don't envision the Dodgers having the same mutual feelings. They have shown they can compete without spending ungodly money, and I believe Friedman/ Zaidi want to continue that trend (as do the owners) .

29 Nov 2017 02:50:01
Kazmir wouldn't be the only contract they move. They could also trade Adrian Gonzalez and Ryu.

I agree that they may not want to spend, but a player like Stanton could be an exception for them as a team that has as much pressure to win in 2018 as anyone.

29 Nov 2017 04:14:25
Gonzalez probably doesn't have much, if any value. So many 1B options, and teams taking on an expensive one wouldn't make sense. Dodgers would likely have to take on the entire contract. Plus, would Gonzalez waive his NTC?

29 Nov 2017 16:22:57
He'd waive it so he would be more than a pinch hitter in a walk year. Heck, if I'm Rick Hahn, give me Gonzalez too if you want to cut payroll. Just attach a better prospect and maybe just a couple million. He could DH and play once every 2 weeks at first and then be traded by August. Or he could just be an August trade candidate for an NL team that wants a veteran bat to pinch hit in the playoffs. Just a thought.

29 Nov 2017 18:26:55
The Dodgers aren't attaching good prospects to move dead money. No rich team is doing that. They'll just DFA the poor guy and pay him out. Is your infatuation for these kind of moves some sort of attempt to salvage the absolutely bone-headed dumping of Tatis, Jr for Shields that Hahn pulled? I can't think of any decent justification for them.

None of these rich teams, especially not the Dodgers, are giving up good young talent for salary relief. It's counter-productive for them.

And some guys are content staying on board and being a bench player. Gonzalez is from LA, he has family there and a house there. I'd imagine he's quite comfortable making $20+MM to not have high expectations, and it's probably nice going home to his family to a home he actually owns after every home game.

I'm not aware of Gonzalez's wishes, but I know he loves LA, and he's a strong clubhouse presence. The Dodgers can afford to keep him around for another year. I can't envision him leaving. Maybe they try and move McCarthy or Kazmir, but if it requires moving good young talent, say goodbye to the idea. It's simply not happening.

29 Nov 2017 19:20:41
If they want Stanton, they have to cut payroll. They don't want to pay absurd luxury tax amounts. That's not my theory, it's what they've said.

I like the trades where the Sox take on bad contracts bc it makes a ton of sense, killing 2 birds with one stone. You have this preconceived notion of "rich teams" paying whatever. It's not always like that anymore. The Yankees have paid $325MM in just LUXURY TAXES in the past 10 years and have recognized that that will not fly going forward. These teams, while still being comfortable having $200MM payrolls, don't want to be paying upwards of $30MM in luxury taxes anymore.

In hindsight, the Sox got fleeced in the Shields deal, But Tatis was on literally no one's radar prior to the trade, so it's hard to fault Hahn to a major extent. I think it was more Kenny Williams who pushed for this trade, as he had been trying to acquire Shields for years. At the time, everyone said the Sox fleeced SD. Me proposing the Sox eating money for declining vets and more prospects has nothing to do with that deal.

So. The Dodgers could DFA these guys and pay them to sit on their couches, OR they could trade 2 mid-tier prospects, clearing upwards of $35MM in salary while also acquiring the NL MVP to give themselves by far and away the best lineup in baseball. They don't have to win in 2020, 2022 or 2025. They have to win in 2018 and it's not like Stanton is a 1 or 2-year rental. I'm not saying they move Buehler or Verdugo. Maybe they trade Dustin May and Starling Heredia in order to move $30-35MM. Plus they get more $$ to spend internationally.

This is, of course, all dependent on the Dodgers being really interested in Stanton, which is kind of unknown at this point. If they are, this is how I see it playing out. They get Stanton, clear away some dead money, and don't decimate their farm.

29 Nov 2017 20:32:01
The two mid-tier prospects is a deal breaker for LA. Their M. O. is to develop them and trade them later.

The Dodgers want to get under the luxury tax, but they won’t rid good prospects to do so. They could move McCarthy and Ryu and actually get something in return.

29 Nov 2017 20:48:14
Think of it this way, if the only way the Dodgers can move Gonzalez is to attach two mid-tier prospects, but if their two options are:

a. Move Gonzalez and two mid-tier prospects (or even one) and only get salary relief in return OR
b. Keep him and spend one more season over the luxury tax

The Dodgers will take the second option, every time. Again, they have other larger contracts that they can move and not have to attach prospects to (McCarthy, Ryu, Forsythe) . And we're also talking about the M. O. of the Dodgers. This is something they've refused to do. They kept Ethier, DFA'd Crawford, kept multiple large contracts on just to avoid giving up any talent for salary relief.

Of course every team WANTS to get under the luxury tax threshold. But if it requires them to give up potentially valuable pieces, they'll just pay the penalty. A luxury tax penalty is better than giving up a potential lottery ticket, at least for the rich teams.

26 Nov 2017 16:19:33
Yankees and Padres

Yankees get: Will Myers, Brad
Hand and Josh Naylor

Padres get: Greg Bird, Aaron Hicks, Brett Gardner,Bryan Mitchell, Estevan Florial and dylan tate and Jordan Montgomery

What these teams could look like:

padres: 1. Cf Brett Gardner
2. 3B Christian Villanueva
3. LF Aaron hicks
4. 2B Yangervis Solarte
5. RF Hunter Renfroe
6. 1B Greg bird
7. SS Cory Spangenberg
8. C Austin Hedges
9. P
1.Clayton Richard
2. Travis Wood
3. Jordan Montgomery
4. Luis Perdomo
5. Dylan Tate

Yankees lineup could look like:

1.CF Clint Frazier
2.SS Didi Gregorius
3.C Gary Sanchez
4.RF Aaron Judge
5 LF Will Myers
6.2B Starlin Castro
7 3B Gleyber Torres
8. 1B Josh Naylor
9. Dh Chase Headley

Yankees Rotation:
1. Luis severino
2. Sonny Gray
3. Masahiro Tanaka
4. Shohei Otani
5. Chance Adams

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27 Nov 2017 02:14:36
It's cool I'm drunk too.

27 Nov 2017 03:08:48
Give it up Tundra! Myers can't play LF in Yankee Stadium. Bird has 20 HR's in 304 career ABs (perfect Yankee Stadium swing-.921 OPS in postseason) and higher OPS than Myers. Naylor wouldn't even make Yanks. Was suspended and traded by Marlins who gave up on him. So, you want Yanks to give away LH's Gardner, Bird and Hicks from Yankee Stadium for RH Myers, Naylor and good lefty reliever in Hand. Did you know that Montgomery (6th in ROY voting) had 18 starts last year with 2 or less earned runs? Only Kershaw as LHP had more (Keuchel also had 18.) You're also giving away 3 CF's in Gardy, Hicks and Florial and asking Frazier to bat leadoff (nowhere near ready to bat leadoff) and play center (also not a CF. ) So, they weaken defense in LF, CF and lose at least 30 HR's PLUS solid LH starter PLUS #78 OF prospect PLUS 2 live arms in Mitchell and Tate.
Why waste everyone's time with this nonsense.

27 Nov 2017 04:49:09
Wait, you think Greg Bird is better than Wil Myers? Because he hits home runs? Over the past three seasons, they have the same wOBA (.338), but Bird's OPS is only 4 points higher.

So that begs the question, which would you have, the guy with a .004 lead in OPS (over the past three seasons), or the guy with a marginally worse OPS but significantly better track record of health?

You just went on and on about Bumgarner's "questionable health" but here, Bird, who might have the most questionable health of any starting position player in baseball, is of better value than Myers? I'm not buying it, and the numbers certainly don't support your position.

Please, we already have Chi Sox who'll say anything so long as it sounds good and makes his team look good. We don't need another. Please at least try and sound rational.

27 Nov 2017 15:12:13
Not sure why the Padres would do this? Gardner would not start over Margot. The Padres have a ton of arms in the minors waiting to be called up, i doubt they would want to trade their all star 1b, 1b of the future, and all star closer for a bunch of guys who wouldn't be top 10 prospects in their own system.

30 Nov 2017 01:45:30
Bird has "questionable health? " Bumgarner hurt his shoulder in a cycle accident. Bird fouled ball off his ankle. He came back healthy and had .891 OPS down stretch. Also has 1.183 OPS at home in post-season career. Myers has never made post-season. Even with Bird's .450 OPS while playing on ankle that needed surgery. Bird has higher OPS of .793 in career compared to Myers' .768. Without those injury numbers-Bird has .880 OPS. Myers last 3-his best years=.789. Comparing them is ridiculous. As for health, Bird played full seasons in '13, '14 and '15. In 2014 and 2015 Myers played in less than 100 games combined ( majors and minors) . How is that a better track record of health? Value- are you kidding me? Myers $4.5 mil/ yr (22 mil in 2020)-Bird half a million. Nuff said? Bumgarner came back with diminished "stuff. " Research the numbers! Pitcher coming off shoulder injury!

01 Dec 2017 01:43:20
Wow. So many terrible arguments, I don't know where to begin.

1. Bird has played 94 games, in his career. That's it, over 3 seasons. Wil Myers played in 60 more games last year alone. Over the past three seasons, Myers has an OPS of—you ready for this—.789. That's .004 points lower than Birds. So I ask you, which would you have? A guy with a .793 OPS over 94 games or .789 over 372? Obviously, you want the guy who has stayed on the field.

2. If you can't understand the nuance of healthy, I'm not sure you're worth debating. Obviously, talking about a track record of health is something we want to reference with recency bias. It's irrelevant to mention that in 2014, Myers missed time for colliding with another OF. He's played in 4 times as many games since his injury than Bird has played his entire career. It's the same as citing Rich Hill's "injuries" from years ago. Bird hasn't been healthy recently, and Myers has. That's the scope, or nuance, of the argument. Please try to keep up.

3. As for Bumgarner, you mean to tell me a guy coming back from shoulder surgery will have diminished stuff? No shit, Sherlock. How does this pertain to Gregory Bird being better than Myers? If anything, it hurts your case.

4. I love that you've not once mentioned the whole of Bird's 2017 numbers. He was an 86 wRC+, .303 wOBA player over 48 games last year. He was atrocious. For comparison's sake, Mitch Moreland was better than him last year. You instead focused on 14 games of post-season play and a few games down the stretch? (He played 29 games in the second half, 19 in the first) Have you ever heard of sample sizes? You literally suggested he has more value than Myers because of 14 games? I could easily find a string of 14 games in which Wil Myers out-performed Bird over the course of his career (for example, last June and his 1.194 OPS) . Small sample sizes won't convince anyone.

5. Bird's injury history extends FAR beyond a foul ball off the ankle. A shoulder injury in 2015 (which was a recurring issue from a previous injury), a serious ankle issue last season, and the ankle injury. That is the definition of someone with questionable health. Myers collided with a player and has been just fine. Bumgarner got in an accident and experienced normal struggles since returning from surgery. Both of those are injuries players come back from all the time, and neither stem from a lingering issue with their body, but were complete accidents. Bird has had 3 major "non-accident" injuries in 4 seasons. How is that anything but questionable?

02 Dec 2017 22:10:24
Stat-1. Why don't you include Myers' other 660 AB's? Because it lowers his career OPS to .763, which kind of sucks for a 1Bman. Bird played on an ankle that required surgery. Without that his career OPS is .880. Ask someone to explain it to you that it more than 100 points better than .763.
2.Since Myers was called up in 2013-he has played in over 100 games twice. Myers didn't just miss time while colliding with another OF-he had wrist surgery. Did you also conveniently forget that he also had wrist surgery on his other wrist in 2015? Keep up-2 wrist surgeries in back-to-back years. Bird had 3 consecutive years (2013-2015) where he played over 100 games.
3. When I questioned MadBum's health relating to a SP's shoulder-you brought up Bird's health-try to keep up. (your post-27november2017-04:49:09)
4. How could you mention Bird's whole 2017 numbers? He was playing on an ankle that required surgery. Healthy his OPS was .891. Love how you bring up Myers 1.194 in June-how about the fact that in Myers last 2 healthy years ('16 and '17) he has as many months below .700 OPS as he's has over .700. May, July August 2016 and 2017. That's 6 months out of 12 BELOW .700 OPS. Wait- I can't stop laughing! Enough sample size for you? Mitch Moreland-are you kidding me? Bird's healthy numbers would be 2nd in AL. While Myers was 11th of NL qualifiers. Out of 12! 11th out of 12!
5. Ankle injury is "accident" injury. How was shoulder injury "recurring? " Did he miss any time? When? So, he had ONE "non-accident" injury. When you have no viable argument-make up stuff?

07 Dec 2017 04:13:30
1. You're considering a rate stat for a guy who's played less than 100 games and less than 400 PAs in his career? Speaking of making any argument you possibly can. OPS only matters if the player is on the damn field.

2. So, let's get this straight, Myers missed time several years ago, and is less valuable. Bird has missed time as of recent, and significant time (he hasn't played in more than 50 MLB games in a season, ever), and yet you'll ignore it? Don't tell me about conveniently ignoring something. Myers' injury was three years ago. Bird's was a few months ago. Is he even healthy? (The Yankees are rumored for multiple 1B, suggesting maybe they don't think he is) .

3. Yeah, you're trying to deny Bird's health issues. This is an actual argument you've continued to make. Please, don't insult our intelligence. Bird hasn't been healthy, at all. Drop the charade and accept it. You continually deny he's been unhealthy, but cite Bumgarner's one injury (by the way, not a significant one going forward, as Giants' team doctors have explicitly stated, multiple times) .

4. Sample size matters. If you think 98 PAs builds an honest picture of what a batter can do, you need to take a statistics class. That's a month's worth of baseball. You literally have tried to build a case for Gregory Bird on a month's worth of baseball. Either you're a con-man (a lousy one at that) or just inept at understanding how to evaluate players. I can't figure it out.

5. "Bird started the 2015 season with Double-A Trenton and was promoted to the Scranton/ Wilkes-Barre RailRiders of the Class AAA International League during the season. In May, he experienced a shoulder injury"


"Bird suffered a recurrence of his right shoulder injury during the 2015-16 offseason, which was diagnosed as a torn labrum. Bird underwent successful surgery, and was ruled out for the entire 2016 MLB season"

So to answer your questions, how was it recurring? Because it was an injury that came up more than once in his career (less than months after he injured it the first time) . Did he miss time? Yes, the entire 2016 season.

Also, os trigonum is not an injury that stems from a fracture. It's an actual syndrome and can lead to significant injuries down the road. Bird had an accessory bone removed from his foot. This was something they found because of the hit-by-pitch, but not something that stemmed from it. It's a procedure that should help the guy, but it hasn't done him any favors. I stand by my "three non-accident injuries" or we can go with "two" and just count the recurring shoulder injury as one, it's up to you.

I think Greg Bird will be fine. But if you ask who has more value: a guy with 98 PAs and missed a ton of time RECENTLY due to injuries, or a guy who's been extremely healthy RECENTLY, everyone in baseball will pick the second guy.

24 Nov 2017 19:58:31
A cross town trade idea involving the mets and Yankees.

Yankees would receive SP Matt Harvey

Mets would receive, 3B Miguel Andujar, 1B Tyler Austin and P Jordan Montgomery.

Why I think it's a good idea:

1. Andujar is a highly regarded prospect and could be the mets future long term 3B option.

2. Montgomery can fill right into mets rotation. Harvey needs a fresh start.

3. Yankees will sign Otani and give the Yankees a nice rotation of Tanaka, severino, Harvey, otani and resign sabathia

Agree6 Disagree15

24 Nov 2017 20:19:43
You forgot about Gray in the rotation. Harvey has a little to no trade value right now. Nobody wants his injury history and off the field problems. If he was still a cy young caliber pitcher he would be worth the headaches but he hasn’t been for over two years. Yankees take a hard pass.

24 Nov 2017 21:05:29
That's right gray too, what about switch Harvey with
Matz and add a prospect coming to the Yankees?

25 Nov 2017 04:12:41
I don’t think the Yankees will be going after pitching this offseason outside of Ohtani because of his tremendous skill set, age, and affordability. Sabathia could be back on a one year deal for insurance as well but that’s about it. Let’s say they do sign both or even just one. That leaves you with Severino, Tanaka, Gray, Ohtani, Montgomery, Sabathia, and Chance Adams is just about big league ready with Justus Sheffield not far behind. Guys like Luis Cessa and Bryan Mitchell provide depth. Then you throw in Domingo Acevedo and Albert Abreu who just tore up the Arizona Fall League. Also guys that like Dillon Tate and Jorge Guzman have high upside. I really don’t think the Yankees would be interested in one of the Mets injury prone starters. Particularly Harvey and Matz who haven’t been all that good when healthy in recent years.


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