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28 Dec 2016 20:53:54
Saw a Rockies Whitesox trade idea and it intrigued me. I don't think quintana could pull Dahl or Rodgers. Those 2 are going to be close to untouchable. if it was sale then it would be a different story. With that being said.
Chicago White Sox receive: Riley Pint RHP, Raimel Tapia OF, Ryan McMahon 1B/ 3B, Dom Nunez C
Colorado Rockies receive: Jose Quintana
Realistically don't see the rockies parting with Rodgers or Dahl or Hoffman. With this deal the White Sox gain a super high ceiling pitcher in Pint, a really nice MLB ready OF prospect in Tapia, and a young nice hitting corner infield prospect in McMahon along with a nice young C prospect to pair with Collins if he takes more of a DH role. It would be a very nice haul for the Sox.
The rockies want to win now, and have blackmon Cargo and Dahl running the OF, and although they would rather keep tapia, he is expendable, pint is tough to lose, but if they want to compete now then they will add him in the deal and with Arenado and Desmond at the corners for the next few years mcmahon has no home. Nunez is nice, but murphy looks like the guy of the future in COL.
1.) 28 Dec 2016 21:40:36
Getting a little tired of these Quintana trade rumors/ posts. They are starting to get like those Giancarlo Stanton ones from a few years ago.
2.) 28 Dec 2016 21:50:55
Post something different then.
3.) 28 Dec 2016 23:54:32
You do know I wasn't taking a shot at you, but at everyone in general.
4.) 29 Dec 2016 03:07:19
I know lol i was just saying post something else then.
5.) 29 Dec 2016 05:40:29
The only difference is that there was a 0% chance of Stanton ever getting traded.
Quintana will be traded for the right price. I think the White Sox will demand either Dahl or Rodgers.
6.) 29 Dec 2016 13:27:48
There was a small chance Stanton got traded, you know until that 13 year extension. Even after people would still post trades involving him.
7.) 29 Dec 2016 14:05:04
Except the White Sox are actively shopping Quintana, that's what gives a trade a good chance of happening.
I think the Quintana rumors are excessive, and most of them don't grasp how insanely valuable the guy is, but I don't mind so much because I really think he'll be traded soon.
8.) 29 Dec 2016 15:20:17
I do think he will be traded soon probably within the first couple weeks of the New Year. I however don't think the Yankees are involved. I feel like the recent rumors of Robertson being included were before they signed Chapman. I think Quintana ends up in one of these 3 places, Houston, Pittsburgh, or Atlanta.
9.) 29 Dec 2016 20:12:36
This is bad. The Sox would definitely get Rodgers or Dahl of Q.
27 Dec 2016 18:49:54
Chicago White Sox/ New York Yankees
Chicago White Sox receive: Clint Fraizer, Blake Rutherford, James Kaprielian, Chance Adams, Jordan Montgomery.
New York Yankees receive: Jose Quintana, David Robertson
Headliner- Clint Fraizer. His ceiling is very high, similar to Giolito and Moncada. Rutherford is still super young, but a very promising young player and one the whitesox can develop to play next to fraizer. Kaprielian is someone i would target. he was dominate before an injury cut his year short but he has a high ceiling as a #2 imo after watching him in college and tape on him in his first taste of minor league ball. Chance adams is a guy i really like as well, nice potential and looks like he could develop nicely into a mid rotation pitcher. Montgomery looks like a back of the rotation guy, but he had a really solid year last year and could fight for a rotation spot this year or be a long relief guy like a Mike Montgomery is for the Cubs which is becoming increasingly valuable in the league today.
1.) 27 Dec 2016 19:00:03
The previous offer from Bwright was fair. But was Giolito Lopez and Dunning for Eaton was not "fair". if anyone posted that i would have been commenting saying that is way to much for him. I get the don't give into the Sox price but that is the only way a deal will get done. I look more into if the trade has the ability to get done more so then if it is fair for both teams. Sox have crazy demands and if Quintana gets moved it's because they get a great package.
2.) 27 Dec 2016 19:50:27
MD43-No way-Yanks are not taking on $20 mil/ year. Robertson has no spot for 13 mil. First trade Robertson and come back with Quintana offer. Definitely not getting Frazier with Kaprielian. The only Top 20 MLB prospect the Yanks will give up is Mateo (#18) because of depth of infield (Didi, Castro, Andujar, Torres, Garcia, Wade, Park, Holder) Frazier is opening day starter in '18. Not going anywhere. Price too high no deal. Will try youngsters, then look at deadline-if needed. KC-Duffy/ Ventura much more realistic price. Remember Chisox w/ Sale and Quintana had 4.10 ERA and Yanks had 4.16. Yanks 12th in Runs. Improvement from offense and similar pitching numbers equate to playoffs-not giving up blue-chippers. Too much to give up. Rumor is ridiculous. BTW-on MLB Now-Joe Magrane said the Sox want a Sale package and he is not as good as Sale. Heyman said they won't get Sale package because Sale is an ace and Quintana is solid #2. Please read my posts and you will see that's EXACTLY whit I've been saying.
3.) 27 Dec 2016 20:07:04
I do agree the rumor is ridiculous. I don't see them coming to a realistic trade where both teams are happy. I also agree that this is an overpay by the yankees but this is the deal that would most likely get it done. Red Sox overpaid, Nats overpaid, and the next team to trade with the White Sox will also overpay. That's just how it has been. Also going off the opening day starter, Moncada could have been opening day 3B for the Red Sox and they dealt him for sale. Yes quintana is not sale, but fraizer isn't moncada either. I respect your opinion though and don't disagree that the price is too high.
4.) 27 Dec 2016 21:49:29
MD-can't argue with anything you stated. One difference is that Yanks gave up most dominant reliever (AMiller) for Frazier. Red Sox only gave up money for Moncada-making it easier to overpay for Sale. Mateo primary piece-or no deal.
5.) 27 Dec 2016 22:13:17
Given what the D-Backs sent to Atlanta for Shelby Miller last year, Sale is a steal. That is the sad truth.
Baseball transactions are just like any other deal - all it takes is one crazy person with an open checkbook to throw the market off kilter.
6.) 27 Dec 2016 22:48:12
Mitch, Robertson makes about 25M over 2 years not 20M this year. And the thing is it's not like Sale is much better than Quintana, Quintana could be an ace on many teams, Sale is top 5 and Quintana is top 10 or 15. Add in the fact that Quintana will make the same as Sale but with another year that makes up for the few starters between them.
7.) 28 Dec 2016 00:48:13
Chances of this happening are slim, I don't get where Bob Nightengale is getting info, but it seems false.
8.) 28 Dec 2016 03:48:09
Mamba-20 mil is for Quintana and Robertson. Yanks are not taking on that expense. If you read my post again, you will see that I said 20 mil-13 mil for Robertson. As for Sale vs. Quintana-in 5 years Sale as starter, he averages 6.0 WAR (according to developer of WAR above 5.0 is an allstar) while in Quintana's 5 years he is 4.1. Heyman, Magrane and Valle on MLB agree that Sale is an ace while Q is a solid #2. What qualifies him as an "Ace? " Tell me in what category does he consistently show up in Top 10 for 3 or 4 years. In '16 he was Top 10 innings pitched-and in '14 Top 10 in FIP. That's it-solid #2, not an Ace. Sale is 10th all-time in WHIP-that's an ace. Quintana's best year (2016) he was 17th in ERA, 37 Batting avg against and 21st in WHIP among starters. This was in the 4th best pitchers park in baseball. Show me something, anything, that qualifies him as an ace.
9.) 28 Dec 2016 04:15:17
Mamba-20 mil is for Quintana and Robertson. Yanks are not taking on that expense. If you read my post again, you will see that I said 20 mil-13 mil for Robertson. As for Sale vs. Quintana-in 5 years Sale as starter, he averages 6.0 WAR (according to developer of WAR above 5.0 is an allstar) while in Quintana's 5 years he is 4.1. Heyman, Magrane and Valle on MLB agree that Sale is an ace while Q is a solid #2. What qualifies him as an "Ace? " Tell me in what category does he consistently show up in Top 10 for 3 or 4 years. In '16 he was Top 10 innings pitched-and in '14 Top 10 in FIP. That's it-solid #2, not an Ace. Sale is 10th all-time in WHIP-that's an ace. Quintana's best year (2016) he was 17th in ERA, 37 Batting avg against and 21st in WHIP amongst starters. Show me something, anything, that qualifies him as an ace.
10.) 28 Dec 2016 04:57:07
Careful, Mamba, mitchsam will list a ton of players better than Quintana with no standard other than his own opinion.
11.) 28 Dec 2016 13:48:04
Mitchsam, it's disappointing someone like you would try to understand WAR and then waste your time arguing ERA and WHIP, which are completely garbage stats. Then again, you showed me last time you didn't understand WAR, so maybe I shouldn't be disappointed.
Also, none of the people you cited are at all heralded as progressive thinkers in terms of baseball. In fact, Heyman and Magrane, especially, are viewed in very poor terms across the sabermetric community (of which I have many friends) . So those guys will look at standard stats and make up their minds because they don't understand or care about what actually makes pitchers good.
Quintana is one of the best game managers in baseball. His RE24 (context dependent) shows that he is capable of preventing high stress outings. His HR/ FB rates was among the best in baseball, and in one of the most HR friendly parks, mind you.
So far, you've stated that Quintana isn't an ace because he's not as good as a list of pitchers you gave me (which I would argue he is, but you gave no objective standard to use), and you've cited three guys who are not sabermetric thinkers.
Please, try harder or refrain from talking about player value.
12.) 28 Dec 2016 15:06:44
Mamba-If you are so smart-why don't you tell me which site is the definitive standard. MLB. com, baseball reference and fangraphs for example all differ in evaluations. As for your "friends in the sabermetrics community, " who are they? So those 3 whom I referenced have more than 50 years of playing or covering professional baseball for over 50 years. Better to listen to some geeks who've never thrown a ball in their life? As for not understanding WAR, talk to me when YOU get a full scholarship to RPI (look it up! ) or win JFK award in mathematics in State of New York. What are qualifications? You go on 'net and talk to other geeky shut-ins? Did I upset you because you weren't able to understand what I was posting? Please, get a little help in reading comprehension BEFORE replying to a post. Helpful hint- try reading post at least 10 times or refrain from comments.
13.) 28 Dec 2016 15:29:20
Huskers- For starters, RE24 is only going to be particularly relevant when dealing with innings in which they were pulled from the game. All other innings will yield equivalent results to runs allowed because even if the pitcher gets docked for allowing runners to reach, they will be credited for stranding those same runners. For relievers, however, this is a very useful measure. Even using RE24 he was 19th in MLB and 9th in AL-once in career. WOW! You've shown again that YOU don't know what you are talking about.
14.) 28 Dec 2016 15:33:02
Mamba-sorry. Even though we disagree, I didn't mean to go off on you. With being irate and all my cutting and pasting-mixed you up with Huskers. Again, don't agree-but sorry.
15.) 28 Dec 2016 16:35:02
Mitchsam,
-U. S. Cellular is a notorious park for hitters (look at any list)
-He's 12th in RE24 in the last 3 years
-His replaceable dollar value on the market last year was $38.3 million (10th in all of baseball, 8th in the last 3 years at $114 million) . Yet his contract is valued at 36 million of the next 4 years.
-Here are the teams he's an ACE on immediately:
TOR, BAL, KC, CWS, MIN, LAA, MIA, PHI, STL, PIT, CIN, MIL, COL, SD, and ATL
That's half the league and I would probably throw NYY in there because Tanaka hasn't hit 200 innings yet but Ill give you that just to be conservative about it.
16.) 28 Dec 2016 20:49:26
Mitchsam, my three fans have all written articles at times for Fangraphs and Hardball Times. I will always refer to those lists when considering sabermetrics.
And the appeal to authority doesn't work. These players don't work in analytics. There's a reason you don't see former players becoming GMs anymore: they have zero understanding of statistical analytics like these smart Ivy League guys.
Seriously, do you really think some pitcher from the 80s understands how to evaluate players properly? If he did, he'd work in a front office somewhere. The issue was: those "ex-player GMs" got completely outsmarted for making dumb baseball decisions. If it worked, you'd still see them around.
As for qualifications: nice of you to cite them. Do they teach JFK Award Winners to make up completely arbitrary and subjective lists for who is better at something? I'm still waiting your criteria for ignoring WAR and listing your own 20-25 guys you listed earlier. I've asked multiple times, and here we are, you still haven't given me anything. But I'm sure you don't need to, because we are all supposed to just naturally believe a JFK Award mathematician on the internet. Give us some objective standard for your rankings or GTFO.
17.) 28 Dec 2016 20:54:45
Also, nice of you to completely lift that quote directly from Fangraphs. At least give them some credit if you aren't going to paraphrase it.
Don't they teach that to JFK Award Mathematicians? Or do you also steal directly from others in your field? Honest question.
BTW, I'm still laughing at the notion that your award automatically makes you an expert on Wins Above Replacement. You can't offer an objective standard for listing who is better than others, and yet you understand WAR?
18.) 28 Dec 2016 20:57:15
One last thing, JFK Math Award guys would likely defer to other mathematics/ analytic thinkers, not journalists. I would assume they teach this at the fine institution of RPI, but considering how our colleges are doing in teaching young people, maybe I'm not so sure.
22 Dec 2016 17:08:39
Seeing a lot of Quintana posts. The whitesox top 10 prospect includes 7 pitchers. They need solid hitting prospects and more depth. A great trade partner is in the same city as them.
Cubs/ White sox
Cubs receive: Jose Quintana
White Sox receive: Ian Haap 2B/ OF (#21 overall prospect in baseball), Eloy Jimenez OF (#23), Mark Zagunis OF, Justin Steele LHP
The whitesox would gain 2 top 25 hitting prospects in the game to go with moncada and collins.
Moncada 2B/ 3B
Giolito RHP
Haap 2B/ OF
Jimenez OF
Kopech RHP
Lopez RHP
Fulmer RHP
Collins C
gives the WS 8 guys in the top 80 including some really great potential and a nice balance to their farm of hitting and pitching. They have fleeced the Red Sox and Nationals, so I can't say forsure they couldn't get a package like this.
The Cubs are unreal, and still crazy young and have the market to hit on big FAs. trading prospects for a cost controlled #2 behind lester would increase their chances of a back to back world series and future success. giving up the prospects hurts but they r all in now and the core of their team is still so young.
1.) 22 Dec 2016 17:14:39
Cubs staff
Lester
Quintana
Arrieta
Hendricks
Montgomery and co.
whtesox top 10.
Moncada 2B/ 3B #1 overall
Giolito RHP #3
Haap 2B/ OF #21
Jimenez OF #23
Kopech RHP #30
Lopez RHP #38
Fulmer RHP #58
Collins C #80
Adams RHP
Burdi RHP.
2.) 22 Dec 2016 17:15:16
lackey^.
3.) 22 Dec 2016 19:20:45
You guys seem think the white sox are "set" because of all of all these prospects. Reminder: they're not guaranteed successful mlb players.
4.) 22 Dec 2016 20:10:56
Prospects are never sure things unless they play for your team.
5.) 22 Dec 2016 20:37:24
didn't ever say the white sox were set. prospects are risky but that is the direction they are going in and it seems they are willing to deal Q for a top prospect filled package.
6.) 22 Dec 2016 20:45:26
Metsjets is right, in that no prospect is guaranteed to blossom. However, scouting has improved greatly in the last 20 years, and busts are more rare than they used to be. The White Sox future is bright as they follow the path to redemption shown by the Mets, Cubs and Astros - which is the farm system.
7.) 23 Dec 2016 15:31:53
I'm not a guy who tends to be super high on prospects, but when you're collecting on top prospects, you're more likely to strike gold on a few.
Let's say Moncada and Reynaldo Lopez turn into studs, while Giolito and Kopech are busts, was it a terrible trade for Chicago? No.
Moncada and Lopez, with their upside, will more than likely cancel out the failure of the others. That's why they are collecting on all these prospects. Because more than likely, they'll find a few great ones.
03 Jan 2017 17:59:57
I agree w Red Sox guy, a more established/ bigger bat is what I believe the Rays would prefer.
02 Jan 2017 04:18:14
Not bad. If i'm the Dodgers i would say no just because of the potential top talent they are giving up but to land Q that is the type of talent they would have to deal. I think Lux was a steal for the dodgers in the draft and mieses is coming off a monster year in A ball. A lot of upside going to chicago and would be nice for them.
29 Dec 2016 14:25:48
At the time of the Rizzo trade Cashner was a highly regarded prospect.
29 Dec 2016 03:07:19
I know lol i was just saying post something else then.
28 Dec 2016 21:50:55
Post something different then.