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17 Nov 2016 23:58:23
Some Athletics trades (I don't mean do all of these at the same time)

Cubs acquire: Sean Doolittle
Athletics acquire: Jorge Soler, Duane Underwood, Vitor Caratini

Yankees acquire: Sonny Gray
Athletics acquire: Jorge Mateo, Justus Sheffield, Domingo Acevedo, Michael Andjuar, Brett Gardner

Rays acquire: Stephen Vogt
Athletics acquire: Drew Smyly, Nick Franklin, Lucius Fox

Blue Jays acquire: Ryan Madson
Athletics acquire: Dalton Pompey, Harold Ramirez, PTBN

Deal 1 is basically the Cubs acquiring a good closer/ setup man who is below 30 in age for pieces they don't need and is probably my favorite.
Deal 2 is a Sonny Gray trade, and I feel like if anyone wants him the most it's the Yankees. They're not gaining much payroll (they're actually losing more by trading Gardner) and Gray could head up the rotation with Tanaka, when they re-sign him for years to come. Yes, they're giving up 4 prospects who could either be Top 5 prospects on other teams or already are and Brett Gardner, but let's face it; it wouldn't be an offseason without the Yankees making a splash. Now, they get to do it by cutting payroll. The A's get a huge package for Gray at a time when his value has dropped, and enter rebuild-mode.
Deal 3 is interesting for both teams. I know the A's might be selling a little low on Vogt, but Franklin and Smyly could thrive if they left Tampa. Smyly had a down year, but pitched well before that, and Franklin was once a top prospect but is blocked completely in Tampa Bay. Both might have the opportunity to thrive in regular roles. Fox is added to sweeten the pot and could possibly make it to Oakland in a key role.
Deal 4 is probably my least favorite. Madson looks good on paper with Toronto and the A's are rebuilding. But do the Jays pay 7 million to someone who might not even be their setup man (if Biagini stays in bullpen) when they're trying to save salary, and does Oakland trade their closer for two high reward-low risk prospects? This trade is mostly done because Madson makes sense for Toronto and the A's could be intrigued a lot by Pompey.

Which trades make sense and which ones don't?


1.) 18 Nov 2016 08:50:52
Rays could do much better. Vogt hasn't been that great offensively since the first half of 2015 and doesn't grade out well defensively. With the dearth of options for starting pitching, Rays will get someone to overpay for a starter.

2.) 18 Nov 2016 11:50:04
You really over-value the A's players.

3.) 18 Nov 2016 14:26:59
Gray's value is down right now IMO, after having an injury plagued, inconsistent year. Plus aren't the Yankees getting younger? I don't think they traded away Chapman, Miller, Beltran, and now McCann to just go and flip prospects they will need down the line. So how does Vogt bring the A's Smyly, Franklin, and Fox? It doesn't make sense.

4.) 18 Nov 2016 14:47:17
bossmanjunior33, I know but Vogt was an all-star last year, and Smyly is coming off a down year. Maybe take Fox out of the deal.

5.) 18 Nov 2016 17:24:29
haha, mason for pompey? you can't be serious.

6.) 18 Nov 2016 21:34:03
The Gray trade won't happen, I was trying to think of one that made sense. Gray isn't making the Yankees older very much.



17 Nov 2016 16:20:01
Dodgers acquire: Todd Fraizer, Jake Petricka
White Sox acquire: Alex Verdugo, Yasiel Puig, Austin Barnes, Ross Stripling

The Dodgers get a good starting third baseman and someone who can boost their total number of HR's. Petricka is added as a depth piece who could possibly provide some value.

The White Sox get a quality outfield prospect in Verdugo, an outfielder with a lot of potential who they showed interest in with Puig, a nice rotation or depth option in Stripling, and a catcher in Barnes who could even start next year and then move somewhere else when Zach Collins is ready.

I think this helps both teams a lot, what about you guys?


1.) 18 Nov 2016 01:34:17
Not bad.



11 Nov 2016 23:32:23
Cubs acquire: Wade Davis, Ian Kennedy
Royals acquire: Kyle Schwarber, Jeimer Candelario, Miguel Montero, Mike Montgomery

I know this trade has a lot of moving parts, but I think it makes sense because.
1. The Cubs need a closer and I think they strike out on all three big free agent closers.
2. Schwarber, Candelario and Montero (disgruntled) have no place in Chicago.
3. Kansas City also wants controllable starting pitching so Montgomery is included, but that might be a little too much for Davis. Thus, Kennedy is added to give Chicago more value for what their giving up (mostly if Schwarber turns into a star) and replacing Montgomery as a better controllable No. 5 starter. Kansas City was also rumored to give up Kennedy in deals for Davis as a salary dump, so this works for them too. Montero is only included so Chicago does not take on too much salary and can be a backup catcher for Kansas City or just simply be traded since there are a lot of teams in MLB that need catching.

Too much, too little, or just right?


1.) 11 Nov 2016 23:56:16
Schwarber isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

2.) 13 Nov 2016 17:33:58
Minus 5 stars.



11 Nov 2016 03:55:28
Red Sox acquire: David Robertson
White Sox acquire: Clay Buchholz, Roniel Raudes, Nick Longhi

The Red Sox get the setup man they are looking for and don't give up any significant pieces. Buchholz provides another rotation option for Chicago, especially if a starter is traded. Raudes has shot up the Red Sox's recent prospect ratings and it seems he can go nowhere but up. Ockimey is No. 10 on MLB. com's prospect ratings, but had a bad year. But, he hit 18 HR and if his strikeout issues can be fixed he has some intrigue.

Too little, too much, or just right?


1.) 11 Nov 2016 11:44:24
Does anyone have a clue what the White Sox are doing? I don't, and I don't think their management does either.

2.) 11 Nov 2016 13:06:21
White Sox see Buchholz name in the trade and hang up laughing.

3.) 11 Nov 2016 16:26:21
i can see it.



03 Oct 2016 21:32:47
Orioles acquire: Francisco Cervelli
Pirates acquire: Yovani Gallardo, Chris Lee

The Orioles could use a catcher and here they get a chance to acquire a potential bounceback option just like Mark Trumbo.

I don't think the Pirates have much use for Cervelli. John Jaso did a great job at catcher and they have Josh Bell ready to start. Another big factor is the Pirates were very low in home runs and they could try to get a power bat to play first. Jaso would slide to catcher and the Pirates won't pay 10 million for a backup catcher. Gallardo is included to match the salaries and could be a bargain for the Pirates if Ray Searage can turn him into his old self again.


1.) 03 Oct 2016 22:47:41
You do realize that Jaso hasn't played catcher all year right? And plus this trade is awful, Cirvelli had a pretty good season.

2.) 03 Oct 2016 23:47:05
There is only one word to describe this: TERRIBLE.

3.) 03 Oct 2016 23:59:01
Jaso played first base. Cerebellum just signed an extension this year and is one of the best defensive catchers in the game. This is not very well thought out.

4.) 04 Oct 2016 00:16:44
"John Jaso did a great job at catcher"

Please, inform me of the times in the past two years Jaso has played catcher.

A little research goes a long way.

5.) 04 Oct 2016 13:57:16
lol, even crazysull knows Jaso hasn't played catcher this year. In fact he last caught a game 2 years ago. Since then its been DH, OF, and first base.

6.) 04 Oct 2016 14:08:06
This is bad.

7.) 04 Oct 2016 19:36:01
O. K, what I meant to say was Josh Bell and a power bat could play first and Jaso could move back to catcher.

If his defense was that bad at catcher, then they could keep Jaso and Bell there and sign a power bat to play catcher. The Pirates have a bunch of average hitters at a lot of positions, Cervelli being one. Trading Andrew McCutchen won't solve that. Ray Searage could work his magic with Gallardo and he could be a front line starter again.

8.) 05 Oct 2016 04:22:33
What power bat at catcher is Pittsburgh going to sign? It's pretty much Ramos and Wieters, and those two will sign for big dollars.




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22 Oct 2016 16:25:12
Now that there are rumors that the Tigers are open to trading everyone, I wonder if Justin Verlander gets traded. They could get a lot for him, since he is a Cy Young candidate coupled with the weak starting pitching in free agency. The only burden is the huge contract and if Detroit isn't willing to pay a big chunk of the deal, you might have to stop considering a trade to a small market team.

That left me thinking; could the Red Sox, Dodgers, or Yankees try to make a deal?
All three need starting pitching and are better off getting it from trades instead of free agency. But, teams are commanding huge returns for the few pitchers available (Jose Quintana, Chris Sale, Chris Archer if still available) . Each team has the prospects and financial resources to make a deal, so do you guys think this could happen, and if so could you say what it might take for those teams to get him.


1.) 22 Oct 2016 18:54:30
Name one 34-year-old pitcher with a huge contract who was traded for a huge return in the past 5 years. Just one.

You won't find one. Verlander isn't going anywhere while under contract with Detroit.

2.) 22 Oct 2016 20:54:49
I didn't say he would get a big package. I asked if any deal was reasonable and if so what would it take. Detroit could also pay some of the deal or a bad contract could be sent to them.

3.) 23 Oct 2016 00:25:34
I can list 4 other players they probably will trade before him and another 2 that they should ( JD Martinez, Pelfrey, Lowe, Sanchez, Victor Martinez, Justin Upton) imo Verlanders contract isn't that bad he's earned to be payed like that and he's still pitching well, you can expect 15 plus wins, an ERA in the mid to low 3s, and 220 innings. and to suggest trade him for a bad contract makes no sense.

4.) 23 Oct 2016 01:12:30
"They could get a lot for him"

Those are words, that you typed.

Most would assume "a lot" = "a big package"

5.) 23 Oct 2016 03:46:55
Mambaout, I didn't mean a bad contract would be all a team would give up, but that they could be included to balance salary.

theJerk, you're right and I apologize. I don't really think he'll get a huge return, it's just that with his great year and weak starting pitching market he could get a lot. Teams are apparently willing to pay 15M+ to 36 year-old Rich Hill, so if some of Verlander's salary gets paid, or a bad contract is included in a trade I think they could net a nice return.

6.) 23 Oct 2016 13:24:16
Teams are willing to pay $15M for Rich Hill, correct. But would they give up $15M AND major players for him? Highly doubtful.

I doubt the Tigers get much more than salary relief for Verlander.



26 Aug 2016 01:26:48
Who do you guys think will win the AL East?


1.) 26 Aug 2016 06:43:42

2.) 26 Aug 2016 12:19:24
Red Sox.

3.) 26 Aug 2016 15:38:47
orioles don't have the starting pitching. I say sox win in last series of the year in Boston. Jays win first wildcard and not sure if it will be Orioles, Tigers or Royals for 2nd wildcard. That's my prediction.

4.) 26 Aug 2016 17:01:58
We're 126 games into the season. They are tied for 1st despite not having starting pitching. It's slmost a non-factor anymore.

5.) 26 Aug 2016 17:37:21
I think the Red Sox just barely edge out the Jays. Orioles don't have the pitching to win and their bullpen can't save them every day. They hit a lot of homers but the offense isn't that intimidating to Toronto and Boston who specialize in that. The final straw might be that the Sox's offense is too overpowering for pitching at most times from top to bottom and the Jays offense is faltering at times.

6.) 26 Aug 2016 18:33:27
Seriously, it takes some kind of grating homer to look at a team who is in first place after over 75% of the season and say, they don't have what it takes. They've clearly found a way to make it work despite having rotation issues.

Honestly, the teams to fear are those that succeed despite their short-comings.

7.) 26 Aug 2016 20:50:42
But the Red Sox had rotation issues (their shortcomings) and now they've overcome them too and right now their starting pitching is much better than the Orioles. Same with the Jays. They can have Britton and Brach but that dosen't matter if their starters can't get them 7 or at least 6. And as for offense Boston is better, and Toronto's is not better but right up there with Baltimore's. By the way, Baltimore hasn't exactly had a commanding lead for first this year but whatever you say.

8.) 26 Aug 2016 21:55:47
Also, the Orioles aren't even in first place if that's who you were saying was.

9.) 26 Aug 2016 22:43:05
I never said they had a commanding lead. Ever. But nice try. I did, however, say that they were tied for first (and for what it's worth, they have been in first, or right near it for most of the season) .

And again, they've had starting pitching issues all season long. Not once has it hindered them in their pursuit for being at the top of the division. It would be utterly ridiculous to now suggest it's a problem. In fact, the only people who have are a Blue Jays and Red Sox fan. How convenient.

You say it doesn't matter if they can't get to the 6th or 7th. Says who? You could go SP-Worley-Givens-Brach-Britton, and so long as you have a lead, you'd be sure to bet the Orioles will likely win the game. Their bullpen is outrageously good (and underrated) .

I'm genuinely curious to see your response, because it's sure to include at least one of the following: a straw-man argument, a complete and total missing of the point, or a complete denial of any stats (that's more the Toronto fans in the room) . Until then.

10.) 27 Aug 2016 03:07:50
Stirring the pot again Jerk?

I was asked my opinion and I gave it and I didn't even say the Jays would end up first.

You picked a team and didn't give a reason but why would you pick the Jays or Bosox anyway. That wouldn't look very good would it?

Your the stats guy. You tell me why you think the Orioles will end up first?

Go player to player on each of the 3 teams and see what you come up with. That's how you come to your conclusions usually.

The reason no team has pulled away is they each have weaknesses. I do believe that the Orioles has the one that will cost them. You never know I might be wrong, they are only 2 back of the Jays right now. Time will tell.

11.) 27 Aug 2016 03:14:30
And Redsox fan, I agree with your 2nd last post. Boston scares the cap out of me because price is pitching well, the bullpen is getting better and their hitters are scary good.

I do believe that will be a unbelievable final series at Fenway with the Jays. I hope to make the 6 hr drive from Canada to go watch it.

12.) 27 Aug 2016 03:27:39
First off, I meant by that if they don't have a commanding lead, being in first for 75% of the year doesn't mean very much.
What I'm trying to say is the Red Sox and Blue Jays both have better rotations than the Orioles. If you need more proof 3/ 5 of their rotation has above 5.00 ERA's not including Tillman. The Orioles have a good offense I agree with you on that. But don't say starting pitching doesn't matter because it almost became it Sox's downfall. The Sox have the best offense in baseball and that still wasn't enough to overcome pitching woes. Those four relievers can't get you out of trouble every night. And by the way within the past week or two, the Red Sox came back to win against the Orioles against. Brad Brach.

13.) 27 Aug 2016 05:28:10
I believe the Orioles will win for a couple of reasons:

1. Their manager. Showalter is a huge factor no other AL East teams have. In fact, I've seen that both Boston and Toronto have their managers as significant weaknesses.

2. Their bullpen. Britton, Brach, Givens, all having stellar seasons.

3. Simply because the Orioles' success baffles me. A team that overcomes a massive weakness is a scary team. Nobody can really identify WHY Baltimore is as good as they are (outside of their offense) . That is a tough team to beat.

14.) 27 Aug 2016 05:42:18
Wow, I was right. Your argument included both a straw-man argument AND a complete and total missing of the point. I'm actually impressed.

For shots and giggles, I'll break this down into points:

1. You seem to separate the fact their rotation sucks and they are in first place. I do not. Therein lies your inability to follow the logic.

2. Why would something that hasn't affected Baltimore for 75% of the season suddenly cripple them for the last 25%? Also, what if they find their niche? Holy shoot, they'll run away with the division, and it won't be close. If they can compete without a great rotation, you better pray they don't find their groove.

3. You citing the Orioles' rotation stats is obviously a waste of your time and proves you missed the point. I never once suggested their rotation was good. In fact, I've routinely accepted the fact it hasn't been good.

4. I never said "it doesn't matter". I said, it hasn't negatively affected them yet, why would we suddenly suggest, "oh no, they have no rotation, they're screwed! " There is literally zero reason to do that at this point. But again, you attributing something to me is nothing more than a strawman argument. You can't even make a logical argument without using a pretty lousy fallacy. Beautiful.

15.) 27 Aug 2016 10:48:28
Ok then. All 3 teams have weaknesses which nobody will deny.

The teams that overcome them will pull away and the teams that dont- Won't!
Let's see what happens. It will be a good final month.

16.) 27 Aug 2016 16:38:01
Yes, all three teams have weaknesses, obviously.

I just find it funny that you can look at a team that has won in spite of a weakness and all of a sudden it's going to hinder them?

If this was Toronto or Boston, you guys would be explaining it away.

17.) 27 Aug 2016 17:46:43
the Orioles starters have hindered them all year. Look at the team win loss record when Tillman was pitching vs the other staff. If this wasn't the case, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Jays can't pull away because they don't have clutch hitting. I would love to say won't last but it's been this way for 2 years so I can't. It's the reason they lost out in game 6 of the ALCS last year. Luckily they have been near the top of pitching stats all year which has kept them close.

Bosox are the closest out of the 3 teams to being complete because their starters are doing well, the bullpen is doing better and they can flat out hit.

You are correct about Showalter, he does find a way to get the best out of his lineups but I betcha he's wishing he had a couple more starters!

It will be a great finish and it doesn't look like any of the 3 have a clear advantage schedule wise.

18.) 27 Aug 2016 19:23:07
First off you're missing my point. I never said you claimed Baltimore's rotation was good I was trying to say it was too bad to win their division. Their rotation just cost them another game last night by the way. Second, I agree with minnow75 completely and basically the argument I'm trying to say to you. Boston and Toronto are better (bullpens or not! ) and if everyone is winning with weaknesses then it must come down to who has the greatest strengths.
Best luck to all three teams who have been amazing this year. Baltimore will probably still win the second wildcard anyways. All you're points about Baltimore are correct it's just we think that the Red Sox and Blue Jays have more to have higher placement in the division.

19.) 27 Aug 2016 20:58:10
"if everyone is winning with weaknesses then it must come down to who has the greatest strengths" Well, yes and no. It also comes down to who can overcome their weaknesses the best. Not to mention, you completely neglect to admit any strengths. Baltimore has the better manager, probably the best manager in the AL. They have the better back-end of their bullpen. They have a very strong offense, almost identical to the Blue Jays in wRC+ and wOBA.

The point has been, repeatedly, that to say "Orioles don't have the pitching to win" is beyond foolish. It ignores almost 130 games of play where they clearly succeeded in spite of that. Will Baltimore for sure win the AL East? Who knows. But to say Baltimore can't because they have a weakness that hasn't really been a major hindrance is a joke and further proof of being a grating homer.

20.) 27 Aug 2016 20:59:18
Minnow, you're right, the Orioles would be far and away the best team, perhaps in all of baseball, if their rotation was even slightly decent.

You better hope their pitchers don't find their groove between now and the end of the season.

21.) 27 Aug 2016 22:36:08
Jerk- they certainly wouldn't be "far and away the best team" lol come on!

Name their reliable pitchers right now? I came up with 6 ( Tillman is their Ace)
Britton-Brach great 1-2 punch in the 8th and 9th. O'Day good when healthy. Givens really struggling. Bundy and Gausman just Ok. The problem is Jiminez-Gallardo-Miley.

They have the worst team speed in baseball (15 total stolen bases) which may not be a problem in the matchbox Camden yards but when it's October and cooler and in a park like KC. Your IN Trouble.
Same reason I didn't pick the Jays to Win because you need to be able to Manufacture runs.
Sox have 5 guys hitting over 300 in the lineup right now. Jays and O's have 1 combined.
I will take the Jays pitching staff over both and Showalter as Manager.

That's it in a Nutshell Jerk. Frankly, I'm a little disappointed in you on this topic. I feel your letting your stubborness and dislike of others on this site get in the way of your mlb knowledge and your ability to use stats in most of your debates.

We will find out in a Month or so.

22.) 27 Aug 2016 22:38:18
Yeah the Orioles would be pretty super if they had pitching. I was surprised when they got Wade Miley out of everything available. I know he's an innings eater but that doesn't matter if you allow 6 runs in 6 innings. Watching him pitch in Boston was annoying. Showalter is one of the best in the game if not the best. It seems like everything Dombrowski does can get ruined with one dumb move by Farrell. It's too bad they wasted money on Gallardo and Jimenez. Boston can basically get anybody they want so watching somebody like Wei Yin-Chen leave because you wasted money on soenso must be really annoying.
Also theJerk what team do you like?

23.) 28 Aug 2016 01:31:10
RedSoxFan, I am a Giants fan.

Minnow, the Orioles are competing for first despite having horrendous pitching. If they had even slightly decent pitching, you don't think they'd be running away with the division? C'mon. Logic would only suggest that adding another strength would make them better. What would "better" equal? Probably in first by a long shot. Thus, "by far the best team".

Also, I'm not sure why you get on my case about stats in this case. I've already said that it's tough to identify WHY the Orioles are as good as they are. You and RedSoxFan have provided stats to show that. But the plain and clear reality is that they are a damn good team. And citing stats to show why they aren't fall short, seeing as they could well win the division.

And you accuse me of "letting your stubborness and dislike of others on this site get in the way of your mlb knowledge".

Um, no. I've stated my point, clearly, multiple times. You can't seem to get over the fact that anyone outside the Blue Jays and Red Sox are good teams. What else do I need to say? The Orioles are contending with over 125 games played, despite having no speed, piss-poor pitching, and not as good of an offense.

There's something we clearly can't see. And something you'll likely never see: that someone besides the Blue Jays could win the AL East.

24.) 28 Aug 2016 06:41:19
Jerk- your last two paragraphs are false. I said Redsox would win the division NOT the Jays. I actually have not thought once they would all year.

My point all along was that all 3 teams have weaknesses. Shoot, if the Jays could hit all year they may be way out in front who knows. Same with the and their earlier pitching woes.

But as of right now, with all teams being good, I just thought O's lack of starters would be their demise.

And I actually said in a previous discussion awhile back that the team that does the most at the deadline would probably come out on top. O's picked up Miley.

25.) 28 Aug 2016 06:53:35
If Usain Bolt ate nothing but Twinkies and Pringles before every race, we would we conveniently forget all the records he just set and say, "his weakness will make him lose! "

Of course we wouldn't. Some teams just find a way to win in spite of major weaknesses. The Orioles are an obvious example. It should baffle any baseball mind why they are doing so well, but it works.

To deny that is beyond foolish. The Orioles are a damn good team. They've proven that over 75% of a season. Wise people accept their success. Blind homers ignore them. Choose wisely.

26.) 28 Aug 2016 07:32:24
I'm a Homer? Then why aren't you saying that about the Jays and their hitting woes all year? that's not a factor in this? Or the Sox pitching Problems earlier this year.

It baffles my mind too how the Jays broke a strike out record in a 4 game series in Houston and still won 3 of 4 and should have won the first game. But they found a way too.

Yes the Orioles are a good team. Where did I say they weren't?

The reason the O's are 3 games back right now and why they have slowly slipped behind a bit has clearly been their Starting Pitching! This is not Rocket science Jerk.

Yes, the O's with good starters COULD win the division.
Yes, the Jays with better clutch hitting COULD win the division and
Yes, the Sox with a better bullpen COULD win the division.

My money is on the Sox and I hope I'm wrong!

27.) 28 Aug 2016 13:32:46
When I said "Orioles" you and RedSoxFan said that I'mm wrong because of their SP. That Boston and Toronto are better in yada yada yada.

It was all moot when you consider what I've been saying: bad SP for the Orioles hasn't been a major hindrance, at least not in remaining a contender.

That's all I've said.

Well, that and calling you a raging homer, an accusation that has tons of evidence from previous debates we've had.

28.) 28 Aug 2016 13:40:04
Also, why would I reference a team who is top 10 in offense as having "hitting woes"?

Baseball is a long season, so a few game span doesn't a bad trend make.

As far as striking out a lot, it's not even an issue in 2016, nor was it last year. The Cubs and Astros had the worst K rates last year: made the playoffs. They, along with Toronto, continue to be amongst the worst. Those teams are all contenders. It doesn't matter, so why would I list it as a problem? It's not.

29.) 28 Aug 2016 14:41:28
It certainly is a problem combined with clutch hitting with runners on scoring position. It has cost the Jays many wins this year! And did them in last year against KC.

Anyway, we've all made predictions. Let's see whos correct. And Remember Jerk, I picked the Sox.

30.) 28 Aug 2016 17:12:40
Meanwhile the Yankees are creeping up on everyone. Still unlikely to win the east though.

31.) 28 Aug 2016 17:18:22
I don't anybody is counting them out.

32.) 28 Aug 2016 19:39:48
You do realize the Blue Jays are one of the better teams with RISP?

I never thought I'd find the day where I'm defending the Blue Jays, to MINNOW75 of all people.

But good grief, you really are a raging homer. You can't even stand when people don't involve your favorite team when speaking of weaknesses.

33.) 28 Aug 2016 20:59:05
Jerk I watch every damn Blue Jays game. I know their strengths and weaknesses. Like the O's, if they didn't hit a pile of home runs, it wouldn't be a good scene. Let's move on, concentrate on your Giants. They need help!

34.) 29 Aug 2016 06:37:05
So you watch every damn game. That's cool. It's likely what has turned you into a raging homer. Congrats!

35.) 29 Aug 2016 18:34:22
Thanks Bud. Sorry your such a miserable guy.

36.) 29 Aug 2016 18:34:46
Jerk, he thinks he knows everything, but let's remember past conversations with minnow when he said ridiculous things. Remember it would probably be better to just bang your head against the wall when arguing with him because he has an answer for everything. Its like he has to be right about everything. Aso minnow just because you watch every game doesn't make you all knowledgeable about your team. You always say things you hear about, but can't be backed up in anyway. its not reported anywhere else.

37.) 29 Aug 2016 21:01:28
I was wondering when Robin was going to come in on this one. Let me guess, you agree with Jerk on this one too? how can someone be a know it all when he was in the majority on this discussion and having another guy (jerk) argue with us. wouldn't that make him a know it all?

Once again I didn't even initiate this one. I gave an prediction with an opinion why with Redsox guy agreeing. Then we get this straw-man theory and a bunch of psycho babble with now everybody being Homers.

And I would think watching every game vs. someone who probably doesn't even follow the American League and relies just on stats could handle himself quite well. Like I've said before, you will rarely see me join a topic on something or some team I don't have a lot of knowledge on.

And Batman, what are you talking about?

I wouldn't be able to back up why I think the O's weakness of having Jiminez-Gallardo-Miley in the starting rotation might be the reason the O's fall back a bit? "It's just what I hear and it's not reported anywhere else? " You make no sense pal.

Why don't you give us your opinion/ prediction on the topic instead of contributing nothing.

38.) 29 Aug 2016 23:51:31
another Stat that just came up is the Orioles ERA is 6.25 over the last 30 days. Not suggesting they are no good anymore but might be getting a little tired due to the inability of the starters putting in innings. Just saying.

39.) 30 Aug 2016 03:04:51
orioles bullpen it should have read*.

40.) 30 Aug 2016 14:13:14
Well I wasn't going to get in on this conversation, but here's who i think will win the East: Your precious Blue Jays. Why? they seem to be the most complete team. Red Sox have inconsistent starting pitching and a not so good pen, but can hit. The Orioles can hit and have a good pen, but a mediocre starting staff. And since you brought mangers into the convo: Showalter > Gibbons > Farrell. Farrell has been a part of one winning team his whole managerial career.
And one of the reasons i made the comments I did as to not getting in this conversation was that when I saw you in this I'd rather bang my head against a wall. Also I actually agree with you on most of this argument. Most of what I said like you thinking you're an expert because you watch all Blue Jays games. It doesn't make you all knowledgeable, it makes you biased.
This is what I think will end up happening in all divisions and wild card
East-Blue Jays
Wild Card-Royals and Red Sox

National League
East- Nationals
Wild Card- Giants and Cardinals.

41.) 30 Aug 2016 17:59:42
Minnow, the whole reason this conversation turned into what it is resulted in yours and RedSoxFan complete shock anyone would say another answer besides the Blue Jays or the Red Sox.

You made stupid statements that I revealed the poor logic in, and you continued to use them.

And when I call you a homer, it's not "psychobabble" (although that's a great song), it's completely true. You've proven it over and over and over and over and over and, you get the point.

Here's how much of a homer you are: you couldn't handle that I didn't include your precious favorite team when I spoke of team WEAKNESSES. You called me out for not mentioning the Blue Jays' weaknesses. Your Blue Jays have to be inserted into the conversation, or you get all whiny. It's truly remarkable.

As for this gem of a comment: "And I would think watching every game vs. someone who probably doesn't even follow the American League and relies just on stats could handle himself quite well. Like I've said before, you will rarely see me join a topic on something or some team I don't have a lot of knowledge on. "

You've said this before, but now you're knowledgable on the Orioles? I don't know if you're widening your knowledge of other teams or widening your capacity to BS, but you seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth.

But what else can I expect from a grating homer. It must be a Blue Jays fan thing. Again, truly remarkable.

42.) 30 Aug 2016 18:31:42
Dude, I don't think I'm an expert because I watch all the Jays games and I can assure you I'm not biased. I would have picked them to win the division if so.
Anyway, I think your selections are pretty safe except I just have this feeling the Jays will lose the final series in Boston and the Sox will win the division. That's a big papi wknd in Beantown.

43.) 31 Aug 2016 00:28:38
1.I'm the one who didn't include the Jays because I picked the Sox. I didn't care you picked the O's, I just wanted to know why because you didn't reveal with your first one.

What stupid statements did I make again that you revealed poor logic in?
2. my psychbabble comment was referring to your strawman theory comment, not the Homer name calling.

3.Psychobabble not a bad song. Psycho killer=great song.

4.not an oriole expert but do follow them for obvious reasons, have seen them live twice this year and will catch them on TV when I can.

5.just be happy Jerk. You don't have to call people homers because they disagree with you. Enjoy the last month of the season.

44.) 31 Aug 2016 01:07:49
By the way theJerk I didn't pick the Sox to win the Eat because I'm a Sox fan. Honestly the Sox probably have a pretty good chance of getting knocked out in the first round. It's also kind of sad that Miley had a good start last night yet the offense isn't there to back him up.
I don't really want to talk about this anymore, you're never going to admit you're wrong now matter what anybody says about Baltimore's awful rotation and still say they'll overcome a weakness that is probably greater than either team. Also the best offense belongs to the Sox!

45.) 31 Aug 2016 04:53:42
"I don't really want to talk about this anymore, you're never going to admit you're wrong now matter what anybody says about Baltimore's awful rotation and still say they'll overcome a weakness that is probably greater than either team. "

Seriously, are you 12? Your reading comprehension skills are akin to a 12-year-olds.

Never once did I suggest the Orioles rotation was good. In fact, on MULTIPLE occasions, I admitted they were bad.

But you clearly haven't caught on to the logical stance I have taken. If it hasn't been a significant hindrance (they are still contenders) for 120+ games, why is it all of a sudden the reason they can't possibly win the AL East. Again, sometimes teams overcome weaknesses in ways no one can explain. The Orioles have done it over and over and over again. To deny what they've done and what they can do is nothing but blind homerism.

But I don't blame you for not seeing the logical connection. It's okay, some people are better at other things than comprehension and logic.

46.) 31 Aug 2016 13:38:46
And minnow, to a couple of your points:

1. I did in fact reveal why, maybe not initially, but I did. Then you proceeded to argue with me. That shows me you were shocked that someone picked a different option. Maybe I'm wrong, but it was a bizarre act for someone "not shocked".

2. Please tell me what straw-man fallacy I have used.

3. I don't call people homers because they disagree with me. I call people homers because they cannot see beyond their own fandom. Picking a different team doesn't alleviate you from being a homer, in fact, the homer will often be the first to do this.

In multiple debates, you have proven yourself to be a homer. When you whined about me not including the BJs into the conversation, that's a very "homer-y" thing to do. When you tried to say, "but the Blue Jays also win despite their weaknesses" (I paraphrase), that's a homer thing to say. I can mention Baltimore's weaknesses without having to recognize other teams', it doesn't mean I don't think others have them.

Also, just so we're clear here: I have not once suggested the Red Sox or Blue Jays CAN'T win the division. Not once. You and others have, on multiple occasions, tried to prove why Baltimore can't. Which is completely ludicrous and dumb, considering they are only 3 games back, with 30 games still to go. This has been my point all along. It is still my point.



07 Aug 2016 21:41:19
First off, I know this trade would never happen now, and even if it did this proposal is set to happen in the offseason.
Red Sox acquire: Eric Hosmer, Wade Davis, cash
Royals acquire: Jackie Bradley, Travis Shaw, Carson Smith
I think the Royals are destined to sell very soon, as lots of key players hit free agency in the 17-18 offseason, and they'll be lucky if more than one gets retained. Here they could build for the future and still kind-of contend, let Moustakas and Hosmer walk in a year, and spend all their cash on Cain and Escobar. Shaw could very well become Moustakas soon, and Bradley is shaping out to be one of the best outfielders in the game. Smith could replace Davis as closer when healthy too. Also, I think that the Red Sox could risk two upcoming free agents leaving because they could pay them and still keep them in a winning environment. It's hard for Kansas City to ditch it's competitiveness for their division but if Cleveland keeps getting better they'll need young talent of their own to keep up in the future.


1.) 08 Aug 2016 02:03:08
Royals say no way for a couple of reasons 1. They could get more if they traded Hosmer and Davis separate. 2. I don't see them trading away any major pieces like Hosmer, Davis, Moose, Cain until at next years deadline unless they get blown away with offers where they get multiple mlb ready prospects. 3. They can still contend next year so why not keep it going? Its not smart but its what they will do.

2.) 08 Aug 2016 02:10:18
Did you see what KC was asking for Wade Davis?

Add in Hosmer and this is nowhere remotely close to enough.

3.) 11 Aug 2016 15:32:55
I get this would never happen and it was just a crazy proposal, but this package is not "nowhere remotely close to enough" if they decided to package these two, considering they are are getting 3 controllable players who are major league ready, have great potential, and look like they will fulfill it.

4.) 11 Aug 2016 15:40:33
Actually, it is nowhere remotely close to enough.



25 Jul 2016 23:12:38
I wasn't completely sure the Cubs would get another bullpen piece since the only major trade Theo made in his time in Boston was Eric Gagne (Ugh! ), but the Yankees got a steal for someone who could be back with them next year! Even though this trade should have been made, do you guys think they would have been better off trading Schwarber for Miller?


1.) 26 Jul 2016 02:16:27
Curt Schilling?

Or are you one of those Sox fans who forgot everything before 2004?

2.) 31 Jul 2016 20:09:28
Curt Schilling, huh. I barely even brought up Boston, what I asked was were the Cubs better off trading Schwarber for Miller.




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I feel like L. A. could lose less valuable players by trading for Martinez and Kinsler separately. Three top 100 guys feels like a tiny bit too much for a 34 year old second baseman and a great outfielder entering free agency. Martinez is an awesome player, but is L. A willing to give up those three guys for them?




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Of course, the older, declining, highly-paid Justin Upton is a better fit than the in his prime, still not paid that much, thriving J. D Martinez.

Please don't tell me it's because L. A. is trying to save money for the 2018 free agent class.





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